May 3, 2008

  • Important Progress

    Is it personal or political?  The 1960's slogan that the personal is political seems to have gone so far out the window that most of us feel apologetic if we have a "personal" problem even when that problem is obviously the result of industry wide or systems saturated unfair practices. 

    We react to people who've had problems as though the problems were their fault.  (Just scan back at all the quotes regarding people in trouble from subprime mortgages and it seems that the vast majority include some language like, "they should have read the fine print").  I think it makes us feel safer if it's possible that the victims of such things somehow contributed or brought it on themselves.  But to one degree or another we are all vulnerable and sometimes no amount of education can save us.

    I could play in that sandbox all day, but I'd rather make you aware of new rules announced yesterday by the Office of Thrift Supervision, the Federal Reserve Board, and the National Credit Union Administration.  Pay attention folks because these are HUGE consumer protections and they will be bitterly opposed by banks and credit card companies. 

    "For credit cards, the proposed rule would address: (1) unfair time periods for making payments; (2) unfair payment allocations; (3) unfair interest rate increases on outstanding balances; (4) unfair fees from credit holds; (5) unfair methods of computing balances; (6) unfair security deposits and fees charged to an account for the issuance of credit; and (7) deceptive offers of credit. For overdraft protection services on deposit accounts, the proposed rule would address: (1) a consumer’s ability to opt out of overdraft services; and (2) unfair fees for debit holds."

    Have you ever made a debit purchase, and then discovered that you had a "hold" on your account that caused you not to be able to access your funds?  That happened to me for the first time when I was driving across Nebraska during a family vacation about ten years ago.  We'd traveled from Kentucky to Minnesota, then I was driving to Kansas to visit my cousin, down to Oklahoma to see more relatives and then back to Kentucky to oversee the final stages of construction on our home.  Apparently every time I stopped for gas, there was a $50-$100 hold placed on my debit card even if I only purchased $10 of gas.    It didn't take very many of these until my little bank card was maxed out. 

    So I pulled up to the hotel where I'd made my reservation in Omaha and to my shock I was told that the charge was rejected and I was told that my account was overdrawn.  (Luckily, I also had a credit card with me and was able to use that for the rest of my trip.)  When I got back to Louisville I didn't let any blue grass grow under my feet before I was at the bank demanding how less than $100 of charges had resulted in overdraft fees when I had over $800 in my account.  My bank refunded the fees and released the holds as I presented them with my receipts, but they weren't required by law to do that.  That's because it has been perfectly legal for banks and credit unions to assess overdrafts based on the amount of a hold on your account rather than on the amount of actual charges.

    Have you noticed that the time between the receipt of your credit card statement and the due date has been shrinking?  I've heard reports of people receiving their bill and having the due date less than a week away.  Some credit card companies have a less than 30 day billing cycle because that trips up people (like me) who schedule their monthly payments and then don't worry about it.  The due dates change from month to month and sooner or later you will not only be late, but you'll have two payments due in the SAME month.  (Not to call any names WASHINGTON MUTUAL but it's not just the little shady companies that do this.) The new rules say that statements have to be mailed out at least 21 days before the due date to give consumers a reasonable amount of time to make payment and avoid late fees. 

    There is a 75 day window for the public to voice it's concerns and response to these new rules and you can bet every one of the $17 Billion dollars that the financial services industry raked in last year JUST FOR OVERDRAFT FEES that the big guys, your bank and your credit card company will be inundating the agencies named above with their objections. 

    Folks we can do something.  We can lend our voices in support of these rule changes.  And we need to tell everyone we know to join in and email or call.  Here's the link to the announcement on the OTS website which says that once the proposal is posted to the Federal Register it will be open for comments. http://www.ots.treas.gov/docs/7/778014.html Get ready.  Tell EVERYBODY, we all need to speak up about this.  This is our chance to see real effective change that will help people avoid unfair charges. 

Comments (19)

  • I wasn't aware of any of this, thanks for the info.

  • Thanks for the information. I have not used credit cards in several years thanks to Dave Ramsey and my own personal awareness that I do not do well with them.

    I am irritated that my debit card gets treated different from a credit card at car rental places. While Enterprise might be cheaper and accept debit cards, they also require copies of two current household bills. Other car rent places hold back extra money from the card. Recently  I rented a van from U-Haul and I had to have a $1000 dollar balance before I could use it. They did not tell me that up front. Good thing I had gotten paid that day.

    There needs to be a little more fairness and acceptance of the debit cards.

  • One of my credit cards has been pulling that due date trick--they have to receive the payment before 5 p.m. on a date less than a week from when I receive the bill.  I've gotten around that with next-day electronic payments through my bank, but it's still annoying.

  • Wow, talk about an informed consumer... Thanks for the information!  

  • Ultimately, we are all responsible for getting ourselves out of our situations, whatever they may be.  The blame game can be valid, but it's counterproductive.

    (Guess what?  No politics at my blog tomorrow.  Today yes.  Tomorrow no.)

  • Just another way the corporatization of everything has us all in a bind! Good news about these government regulations. I hope this is the beginning of the end to rampant predatory practices in the banking industry!

  • Great information.  I shall act upon it!

  • banks are evil aren't they? they are the epitome of what is wrong with letting corporations function with the same rights as people.  

  • Dear Terri,

    Thank you so much for visiting my blog and leaving a comment and birthday wishes.

    I have about 38 grand in credit card debt and I'm single. I bought a lot of "toys" on credit, and figured that I'd be able to pay off the debt easily. Then the APRs shot through the roof, and I didn't get a raise, but found the price of life was going up too. I'm paying almost 4  bucks for a gallon of gas. Rent went up three times just last year. So now I've "consolidated" but the bank which offered the loan still gives me a whopping 17 percent APR, so I'm paying $750.00 a month and hardly touching the principle.

    The banks do what they can to make money. That's what they're in business for. I blame nobody but myself for getting in a rut, and I'm smart enough to get out, but each time I get another offer for credit (My Fico score is 730 so I keep getting offers) I have to laugh. How much money do they think I should borrow before it is physically impossible to pay it back? People do die at some time in their lives!

    Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool

  • Thanks for the info.....  No wonder there are so many nice new bank building going up all around here.  

  • Ummm... Overdraft fees - in most reputable banks are no different than the fees for returning the item. So the question is, which would you prefer? The bank to PAY your check (letting your account go negative and giving you the chance to make it positive) or RETURN your check to the store/mortgage company. The fee from the bank is exactly the same - either way - but one way your credit gets dinged by the store or the mortgage company - and the store or mortgage company charges additional fees for being late or bouncing the check. Ummm... The bank charges you the same $25 either way - PAID or RETURNED... So which is nicer? The banks pays you item - and gives you the chance to make good without dinging your credit or incurring more fees from you creditors? Or the bank sends the check back? Charges you the same fee - and then the store charges you fees and dings your credit?

    Of course, some people do not want the bank to pay their bad items - so they should be able to opt out in advance...

    And of course - the bank does WANT you to become aware that it gives you a buffer you can use this way if you choose - because they do make a lot of money on it. But it is almost always a consumer choice. If you plan to write bad checks (which is against the law) - you should find out in advance what the bank will do - not expect the bank to chase you down and tell you in advance.

    Sorry... I just know a bit about overdrafts...

    But forget all that!

    Have a great Sunday!

  • @Donkey_Guy_10 - I don't have an issue with whether or not I can opt out of overdraft protection and on the off chance that I might find myself making a stupid mistake, I'd want to have it. 

    On the other hand I too know a little about the way that (some) banks handle their accounts and "increase revenue".  There is a policy among some banks that they don't make funds immediately available for withdrawal.  Not just on new accounts, but on every account.  So people deposit their money and then have to wait.

    And it's not just that they don't make the funds available, it's also that they run a program that predicts which accounts will be closest to the line and they hold the incoming debits in "pending" for up to ten days then run everything through on the same night, not in the order that the charges came in but in order of largest to smallest debit. 

    This maximizes the likelihood that a customer will not only overdraft the account (because all the deposited funds haven't been credited) but that the overdraft fees will be charged for multiple items. 

    I've seen bank statements that show that the person had $800 or $900 in the account, wrote checks totalling less than half that amount, and yet also had $300 - $600 of overdraft fees assessed because of this trick with the timing. 

    I work closely with the CFO of the largest Credit Union in Colorado who told me that less than a year ago she was approached by a salesman vending this program.  Although they didn't choose to use it, a number of banks do. 

    I would not defend the practice of kiting.  It's wrong and people who try it will be burned by it.  But many of the practices and policies of banks today are not designed to discourage customers from these questionable habits but to trap people who haven't done anything wrong simply by manipulating the dates of deposit and withdrawal. 

    I already covered the practice of assessing OD fees against pending "holds" which is again something a consumer has little or no control over. 

    Honest banking policies have kept banks solvent for centuries.  I see no reason that we should not protect consumers from these dishonest policies designed to trap and defraud them.

    And btw, I don't know where you bank, but the standard overdraft fee in this area isn't $25, it's closer to $40.

  • would you happen to have any food for the malnurished???

  • @spazmom40 - I don't know about the nalmourished amongs us, but I have a double sized helping of chocolate for you.  SMOOCH

  • Yes! Overdrafts can be lots of fun! Particularly with the wide array of software that financial institutions use... Some of the software is older than - well - its old! LOL! Most banks I have heard of, process their items every business day. And yes, there are holds placed on accounts - some for legitimate reasons - some for technological reasons - and some just for profit... Oh! I see lots of different overdraft fees - ranging from $25 - $40. Very few at $40, but many from $30-$35. There is some magic number where increasing the fee reduces fee income - and for most locations $40 seems to be beyond that point... But greed being what it is - I'm sure there are those that press the limit all the time - even though it costs them money...

  • @quiltnmomi - mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  • Sorry not to have visited for so long trying to get through my list and see who are still on here some seem to have got lost What a peculiar article but I had to smile at the idea first given. Cheers Marj

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