July 23, 2005

  • Momi and Me


    Does anyone (any woman) have a good relationship with her mother?  During our week in Iowa, my friend Mary shared with me some things that she's been learning about mother - daughter relationships.  Another woman recommended a book to her that has been sparking all kinds of recognition ... "My mother was just like that." and understanding of the way that these difficult relationships have colored our entire adult lives. 


    Pretty much everyone in my family (except my mother) understands that it's the nature of her relationship with me that makes it impossible for me to consider moving to Arkansas.  Over the past year, I've been subject to attempted manipulation, threats, bribes, and verbal abuse alternated with "the silent treatment" because whenever the subject has come up I have remained firm in my decision to make my life out from under my mother's roof. 


    I understand that it's a complicated issue.  I do believe that in her way, she loves me.  But I also understand that she has never come to a place of seeing me apart from herself.  Everything I do she sees as an extension of her being which puts enormous pressure on me to be the person that she wanted to be.  She sees my every action as a direct reflection of her life. 


    I love my mother.  I have a great deal of compassion for her.  She was verbally, psychologically and physically abused as a child and I give her a great deal of credit for the work that she's done to try and overcome that beginning.  One of the things that I'm learning as I'm reading this book with Mary (swung by the library yesterday to pick up my own copy) is even more compassion for her and understanding of just how difficult it's been.


    Gaining perspective on myself in relationship to my mother and understanding myself AS a mother is a different kettle of fish.  I can feel sympathy for her, in part because of the physical distance between us.  I live with me.  I live every day with the decisions I make as a woman, a friend, a sister, and a mother myself. 


    One of the points that the book makes early on is that when mothers and daughters have a good relationship, mom becomes the source of direct information about being a woman.  It's from her that daughters learn about menstruation and menopause, childbirth and marriage (sex).  Women's bodies are mysterious even to those of us who live inside them and learning to understand and accept our material selves requires a supportive role model who has been there. 


    I used to think it was a generational thing, why it was that my mother didn't provide information for me.  I'm coming to understand that it's not a function of our generation but of our relationship.  On the big four I mentioned above my mom had the following to offer:  1) menstruation - that's why you don't sleep with boys.  2) menopause - I had surgery to fix my problems because I was depressed and tired of bleeding.  (She was younger than I am now when she and her doctor arrived at the decision to schedule a hysterectomy in hopes of solving her life issues.)  3) sex - I'm gonna take you to the vet and have you "fixed" so I don't have to worry about what you might do because you obviously don't have good sense.  4) marriage - everything is your fault and it will always be your fault because its always one time of the month or another so you can't go by your feelings.  If he says something that makes you cry - go take a bath or read a book.  If he's not happy with the dinner, cook something different tomorrow night.  You're a creative person ... try harder.


    According to the book my goal is to "internalize a good mommy" because until a woman can learn to mother herself she either does everything in her power to figure out what Mommy wants and delivers it (being a "false self") in order to keep Mommy there and happy, or she constantly fights with her mother in an attempt to separate and have her own identity.  The good mommy is able to embrace both intimacy and separation. 


    Mothering is a huge part of who I am.  I am teased about it and I'm okay with that.  At work the "kids" call me Mom.  They talk to me in ways that make me feel good about the nurturing aspect of my personality.  They affirm that they sense a maternal care from me, in ways that I hope very much reflect the "good mommy."  I'm not judgmental of their individuality but I do have standards of performance as an employee.  For example, they like to ask me to check their sidework.  Before the end of a shift, each server has a list of tasks - refill the salt shakers, change the tablecloths, wipe down counters and so on and so forth - that need to be done.  And it's in checking over sidework that this "Momi" thing really comes out.  I am quick to praise when someone has been diligent or gone above and beyond.  I am slow to condemn, I'll say something like, "I know you were busy with that last table and it's easy under those circumstances to miss that it was your night to wipe down the tile.  How about I'll refill these drinks while you take care of that?"  I know and they know that I'm giving them an easy "out" rather than blaming them or suggesting a deficiency in their character as some other people are prone to do.  But still, they don't get my signature until the work is all done. 


    What I'm trying to figure out is how to mother myself this way.  Because when it comes to judging my own performance, it's not compassion and tenderness but judgment and scolding that goes on in my head.  I hear my mother's voice listing my character flaws. 


    Again, according to the book, the mark of being a good mommy is the ability to affirm individuality and the right to be ... human.  Anyone reading Quiltnmomi for any length of time knows that the ongoing work of this journal has been to grow into a fully functional human.  And the biggest obstacle to my growth has been my own conviction that this is well and good for other people, but I have to be a little bit more than human in order to judge myself acceptable. 


    I'm hoping that the next chapter or the next will give me the clue I need to be a good Momi to Me. 

Comments (13)

  • I have met women who have good relationships with their mothers but their mothers were not abused, neglected, etc.  I think that changes a person so much that they have to work very hard to not have it affect every other relationship in their lives.  Especially their rels with their children.  Needless to say, my relationship with my mother was tenuous at best.  Now that she'd gone, I miss her and miss the hope that things could somehow be better.

    My menstruation talk went:  I don't want to talk about that.  Sex talk (one week before I got married):  Well, have you thought about birth control?  Marriage:  Men can't be trusted.  Go to college and get a good job in an office.  She didn't give me a menopause talk.  She also had a hysterectomy early because she had horrendous repro problems but it totally depressed her because she wanted to have more children.

    Whoops, I blogged in your comments section, I'm sorry.  Keep up the good mom work.  People who do those important jobs well will save our society.

  • My mother wasn't perfect, but she did the best she knew how to do.  My relationship with RK, I believe, is good.  She is so precious to me, but I don't own her or her life.  I'm honored that she lets me walk beside her as her friend, and just let me love her unconditionally.  This is a great blessing in my life.

  • Sometimes, with the people in our lives, if we've tried to make the relationship better and tried to get them to see their part in the relationship, and they absolutely refuse?  We've got to either accept them for the way they are (and accept that we can't change them) or kick 'em out of our lives.  Mothers seem to have this intrinsic knowledge that they're mothers, though, and therefore take advantage of the whole "What's she gonna do, kick me out of her life?  I'm her mother, man" thing and yeah.  It makes it difficult. 

    I have to say that seeing a woman interacting with her mother goes a long way toward getting an idea of who she is as a person.  Seeing how she interacts with her children, her husband, her sisters, etc, are all ways of getting to know her, but truly with her mother.  They played such a key part in our lives, didn't they?  The bitches.  bahaha. 

  • I hate to see you struggling, and wish I could help.  I must sound like a guy, which is because that's what I am.  Pretty much all of us -- men and women both -- struggle quite a bit.  Personally, I find it a relief to spend quality time nurturing my inner child, loving him up, being optimistic, counting our blessings together.  It's also good to be critically introspective at times in terms of kicking ourselves in the butt and accomplishing needed improvements.

    In other words, do both those things.  Keep being happy and keep trying to improve.  I think that you, Terri, really do do both of those things.  And that's good.  Great, in fact.

    Most of the adult women I know do not get along perfectly with their daughters.  It seems that a few of them do.  But also in most if not all cases, I don't really know what's going on inside other families.

    My own case is pretty sad.  But as you know, I'm a guy, so it may not be relevant.  Mother?  Mine is long dead.  I've blogged about how I came to forgive her.  Father?  Well, my natural father died when I was 10 (I've blogged about that, too) and the adult me never knew him.  I did love my stepfather, who passed away 30 years ago.

    As for my own kids, I've had none.  Good thing, too.  Had no good role models, have been a mostly terrible stepdad, but I'm doing better now, in terms of relating to Barbara's adult son.  I mean, everything's always been fine between him and me.  I'm better relative to prior stepdad-stepchild relationships.  That's what I meant.

  • Good blog....I am one of the few that gets along with my mother, I guess...although we did go through a rough time when I joined a cult during the 70's and cut her off, denied my name...

    Looking back I am horrified at what I did....she and I reconciled years ago so all is well now..has been since my youngest child was born and she is nearly 20. Now I have a daughter that is pretty much estranged from me. My oldest daughter and I are not close at all....I see why....as I was unable to raise her...I lost custody of her...it is a long and complicated story that I won't go into here.

    What goes around comes around.

  • I have a great relationship with my Mommy!!! I do think there are generational gaps tho. I mean nothing really big but little things like, how to be safe with drinking, drugs, sex, walkin round at night. Because times have changed kids learn a lot more about things like that, or other things that parents didn't know at that age. As a result a kid might be annoyed with advice while the parents think they are helping and that can work as a tumbling block in the relationship. I'm not saying that you shouldn't talk just I don't know use some kind of intuitive judgement and involvment. But that's about all I know about that kind of stuff from a kids pov.

  • I had a pretty good relationship with my mom, though we both realized we could never live under the same roof again; a week's vacation together was about the most we could manage before we starting sniping at each other.

    And I think that for the last couple of years of her life, Mom was closer to her sitter than she was to me, which makes me sad.

  • All your life experiences have made you who you are--a very beautiful person.  I am certain you will come to the point of serving yourself a huge, delicious, daily slice of grace. 

  • Great blogging.

    I'm still trying to establish the boundaries of the relationship between my mother and myself.

    It's weird.

    aren't they all though, in some respects?

  • I wish I could relate more effectively.

    My wife still has unresolved issues with her mother, although it's probably too late to mend the relationship. She has emerged healthy nonethe less. My mother was neurotic almost to incapacitation in her later years, but my two brothers and I agree that we always knew she loved us. I think that made the difference. We never had to anlayze our relation to "think" she loved us, we just knew.

    My wife, on the other hand, can't say positively that her mother loves her. Her mohter was always critical, always self-centered, always miserly with all her possessions including money, love, and appreciation. So when Charlene says, "I'm sure she loves me," she's expressing her fondest desire rather than a statement of conviction.

    Still I pray you get your relationship with your mother worked out inside yourself.

    Mike

  • Yes, some woman are lucky enough to have good relationships with their mothers. My mother and I got along very well for 50 years and I miss her very much. I considered her a good friend. We were both lucky to grow up in warm loving families. She was careful not to be judgmental and when she offered advice or suggestions, I felt free to take what I wanted and by-pass the rest. She did not feel offended.
    I had hoped she would move to our town after her retirement, but she felt she could be of more service to my sister, so she moved there. Altho my sister encouraged her move, I only found out much later that my sister began to find her presence more & more oppressive. Due to differences in personalities & situations between my sister and me, I think.

  • Terri,

    I don't believe it is a surprise, due to my postings after my mommy's passing, that we were quite close. She always called me her 'buddy' because, being youngest by so many years (my siblings were teens when I was born), I was last to be at home with her.  They had started their own lives by the time I began kindergarten.  We did all kinds of things together... because we wanted to and enjoyed each other's company.

    I still struggle with my own mommyhood and I attribute this to trying (& failing in my own perspective) to be as good a mom as she was.  I know I'll never meet my own expectations for this, because my mom seemed to do nothing wrong.  All three of us, my sister and brother and I, discuss at most family gatherings how much we miss her and what a great example & mother she was.  Self-sacrificing has her pic next to it in the dictionary... all for our good.

    I said all that to say this... even if you have(had) a wonderful relationship with mommy, or if you never quite got there with it, you always desire to be the best mom in the world to your own little sweeites I think.  At least, any mother worth her salt does.

    So keep up the good work.  You're pretty good at it, but your little men will still have to make their own choices about how to interact with their young ones, and so it goes.  Simba's song... key soundtrack  ...it's The Circle of Life...

    Love and hugs and prayers,

    Deb

  • Terri long time no see.... I just came back to Xanga.... How is the synergy going?  Looks like you are doing well.... Love to hear from you......

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