February 5, 2004

  • Still Thinking ... (and quoting the Bible )


    Sam wants me to quit dinking around with all this Civil Stuff and write how I think the law should read based on a Biblical worldview given that our system of government derives from the Judeo-Christian perspective.  It's a fair request.  Once before I wrote out a long blog comparing basic worldviews.  They can essentially be distilled into about five unique metaphysical systems.  (I included Postmodernism in my blog as the fifth knowing that it isn't a complete view but because I think it provides a powerful corrective to some of the assumptions of the others.)  If you have a half hour to kill you might want to check out that bit of dry writing here.  I hope that I haven't deceived anyone into thinking that I subscribe to anything other than Biblical Theism for my own metaphysical understanding. 


    But here's what I think.  I believe I can argue that everything I've said all week is consistent with Biblical ethics.  Essentially, I've been saying that our Civil Law needs to be written in such a way as to provide the broadest possible protection of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (or property).  This protection should apply whether the persons involved are living according to Biblical ethics or not.  This is not a new question and essentially it was answered by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, "You have heard it said that 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemies.'  But I say to you, love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.  For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?  Do not even the tax-gatherers do the same?  And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others?  Do not even the Gentiles do the same?  Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."  (Matthew 5:43-48)


    One of the convictions that I came to about my own practice of Christianity some years back was a very humbling realization for me.  It is that if I am to follow the example of Jesus, then my job on earth is to love far beyond the standards of my culture.  And I'm not talking about warm mushy feelings here.  That's something else that I think we get wrong.  We read the Bible with our 21st century eyes and understanding and we forget that we have a very different view of love than has been held for most of human history.  When you see the word love in the Bible, it's not a noun naming an emotion of pleasantly warm feelings toward another person, it's a verb.  And it means that you perform actions that are in the best interest of the other person.  The particular topic of discussion this week has been same-sex civil union.  The implications of civil union are that persons entering this state would be eligible for certain benefits such as health insurance and property protections.  Does anyone sincerely believe that withholding these benefits from people who's lifestyle doesn't conform to the Bibical ethic is in their best interest? 


    It's a scary world out there folks.  And I'll be the first to admit that I have my own fears about entering it.  I've recently had a health issue that made me have serious concerns.  For the past 10 years, I've been covered by my husband's health insurance which is a particularly good plan by all standards.  I'm looking at the fact that once my legal status changes, I'll be dropped.  All of a sudden the doctor's visit that I now pay $25 out of pocket for, jumps to over $100.  I had a conversation with my Doctor about health insurance regulations and what not and he explained to me that he is required to charge non-insured patients that amount because of the way the health insurance contract reads.  If he is going to accept insurance money, he has to abide by their rules.  What's it like for someone who's sick, what's it like for someone who lives with and loves someone who's sick, knowing that they can't pay for medical care?  I've read the studies seen the reports indicating that same-sex couples have higher than average medical costs.  The usual interpretation has been that the homosexual lifestyle is inherently unhealthy.  But an equally valid interpretation of these data would be that of course their costs are higher, they don't have the same access to medical insurance that others have. 


    Several people this week have made the point that the blessing of a nation is contingent upon the people of that nation conforming to God's law.  This is true.  But I'll point out that the Biblical standard for determining whether or not a nation conforms is to look at those who claim to be a part of the people of God.  Remember the verse in 2 Chronicles that we quote around the fourth of July?  "If MY people who are called by MY name will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."  Folks, and now I'm talking to my Christian brothers and sisters, we really need to get over worrying about the sin in our neighbor's life.  His sin is not our problem.  Frankly, God is not surprised when the lost sin and I'm not sure how we got to the point that we are surprised.  Have we all forgotten that there but for the grace of God go I?  The real issue if you want to talk about sin, is the sin of God's people.  And the promise of scripture is not that the land is healed or punished based on the sin of those outside the family of faith, it's the sin of God's own people that causes him to withhold the blessing.


    Jesus gave out a standard in John 13:34-35 that we're familiar with, but I don't think we've grasped the full implication of.  "A new commandment I give to you that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.  By this all men will know you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."  To love as Jesus loved?  No, we don't even come close.  Imagine if the leprous approached us today, would we automatically extend our hand in healing?  Or would we first want to examine their lifestyle to see whether they bought beer last Saturday night?  Would we bandage their flesh?  Or would we ask them first about their relationship with God?  Would we touch them and offer comfort and Jesus did?  Or would we give them a lecture about sin and tell them to come back when they got their life in order?    Jesus healed lepers who didn't even bother to say "thanks," did he turn around and make them leprous again?


    We don't encounter a leprous person every day ... so substitute that example with the kind of people we find repulsive.  How to you respond to the racist bigot in your office?  Do you find ways to reach out and bless that person?  How about the man who brags that he cheated on his income taxes?  Or the woman who's been with four different men in four different weeks?  Or the man who uses drugs or crawls into the bottle because he can't face his life?  What's your attitude toward these people?  What is your attitude toward your homosexual neighbor?  Because when I read my Bible, I find that the first thing God looks at and cares about isn't my neighbor, it's me.  Remember what Jesus said?  Before you worry about the splinter in your neighbor's eye, worry about the log in your own. 


    I think that Christians should be at the front line of the debate saying YES lets make sure that anyone who is willing to enter into the legal contract - which is what we're talking about here - anyone who is willing to enter into the legal contract to share life responsibility with another person should be able to have access to the benefits that accrue to that commitment.  For years we heard that the main problem of homosexuality was promiscuity, well - folks here's an answer to that problem.  Shouldn't we embrace those who make that commitment to be monogamous?  If we believe what we've been saying, this is at the very least a step in the right direction.


    If you've been a Christian who tries to talk with non-Christians, who tries to explain that God loves them so much that he died for them, you know that the barrier you have to overcome first isn't their belief or unbelief in God, it's the unloving/hateful attitude they perceive from Christians.  I wonder how that perception would change if we started looking for ways to bless the people we consider our enemies.  I wonder what it would do to our hearts to start seeing people as God sees them?  I wonder what it would be like to talk to non-believers in a world where the Christians were known as the people who loved unconditionally ...  


     


       

Comments (25)

  • There is a preposterous idea out there that goes something like this.   "You are imperfect, therefore you can't judge me." 

    Well, OK.  I'm willing to let God do the judging, but I still know the difference between right and wrong.

  • Very well written, thank you.  I think that you addressed the real issue, which is that the Christian community forgets the purpose is to serve God, by serving (loving) their fellow man.  Too many times, the reaction is a rush to judgement.  They should do a better job of reading the job description and leave the judgin' to the Boss!

    >:D<

  • I think that example is the best....by example...

    Love your neighbor because he is yourself...

  • Steve - Is that such a preposterous idea?  I'm not saying that there is no discernment.  As I recall that's one of the spiritual gifts God gives to His people.  I am saying that as far as my understanding is concerned, I'm not capable of judging the heart of another.  I'll paraphrase someone who's writing I admire greatly ... C S Lewis on this topic said that we have no way of knowing how much effort, how much spiritual growth a person has undergone to get to where they are.  Someone who started out "good" may look like a veritable saint to us with very little true growth.  Someone who started out as a depraved degenerate may never make it up to the point where we would consider that person to be even close to acceptable.  But for the second person, the progress made is the result of tremendous submission to God.  Who am I to judge between these two when I can see neither of their hearts?

    And please everyone, grant me the grace of remembering that what I'm describing in my blogs is the process of working out my own salvation with fear and trembling.  Maybe you have an entirely different path to walk.  I have faith that God can and does meet us both where we are and moves us to where we need to be. 

  • You write with such passion and grace I'm ashamed to besmirch this post with my comment...

    But of all the things you said, the thing that really stood out for me was what you said about your health care status (I'd love a dialogue on THAT by the way-- especially as the national presidential election draws nearer)... I think for such an uber-power-- the U.S.'s health care system is antiquated at best.

  • I always enjoy your blogs and thought. They make me think. Thanks!

  • Sam's right (and so are you).

    Jesus also said "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged" (Luke 6:37)...

    He also said "LOVE your enemies" (Luke 6:27, and again at 35) not merely to pray for them, or bless them (Matt 5:44).

    As an aside, a Christian must also acknowledge that they represent Christ's face to the world (there is plenty of scripture to back up this point, but Paul's directive to "make the most of every opportunity" in Col 4:5, his admonitions to "get rid of... every form of malice" and "be kind and compassionate" in Eph 4:31-32, and his direction to "consider others better than yourselves" in Philippians 2:3 all come to mind).  Jesus loved without condition, without limit, without end.  How many professed Christians truly represent that in today's world, I wonder?

    I suppose that's only half of my two cents, but even so...  even so...

  • I am learning the splinter one.. I am finding out in therapy I have many logs in my eyes...  I wish I only had splinters...

  • I think you put it in a very well spoken way as always....maybe if more people thought in terms of we inside of us and them the world would be in a better place.

  • What you say about overcoming what others do in the guise and name of "Christianity" is very true. I sit and watch others who claim to be the very best Christians ever, and see them say and do more to defame that word than you'd think possible, all the while preaching away about how perfect and correct they think they are. It's no wonder that non believers can't get past what is said by them to hear what needs to get in...as the saying my Granny used to use goes..."Your actions speak so loudly I can't hear your words."

  • You write so well and make a good argument. 

  • It's all about discipling, the living verb (living word?), not making disciples. It's about recognizing where the power truly is. It's about seeing the sacred bit of creation in what the word might term a monster. It's forgiving those who trespass against us or our sensibilities.

    And I, too, would like to hear your thoughts on health care issues, insurance and the like. I remember all too well when my daughter broke her wrist when she fell roller skating and my son needing stitches from a dog attack. I didn't so much mind no health care coverage for myself after divorcing my first husband, but when he was let go from his longtime job and lost the insurance that also covered our children, even small accidents like those were major budget issues.

  • So you're in favor of single-payer.  Gotcha.  ;)

    I have no problem with anything you've said here.  The main problem agnostics and atheists have with the Christian community is the narrow-mindedness and the hypocrisy.  I daresay there would be fewer folks hostile toward Christians if those who called themselves that would follow even half of what you're talking about here!

    That said, "preaching the good news" is part of the problem.  You can't reach 90% of atheists and agnostics by presuming that we want to hear "news" that's suffused within this culture already.  The only way you can reach us about this sort of thing is obliquely, or by example.

  • You are too kind.  ((hug))

  • "I think that Christians should be at the front line of the debate saying YES lets make sure that anyone who is willing to enter into the legal contract - which is what we're talking about here - anyone who is willing to enter into the legal contract to share life responsibility with another person should be able to have access to the benefits that accrue to that commitment." Are you sure about this? Are you willing to allow Bill, Betty and Beth to enter this legal contract? How about Bill, Betty, Beth and Bonnie? How about Bill, Betty, Beth, Bonnie and Belinda? How about Bill, Betty, Beth, Bonnie, Belinda and Agnes?

    This was settled well over 100 years ago in this country when the federal government was poised to sieze all the property and imprison the leaders of a certain religious organization that solemnized such "agreements", if you know what I mean.

    Even as recently as the 1940's and 50's, persons seeking to be naturalized citizens of the USA had to attest to two things: that they were not anarchist and that they did not believe in polygamy.

    You are really off mark with your thinking. Get ready for this is you have your way.

  • o/

    God Bless - Dale

  • Uh oh...someone forgot to dumb down the message for a * ahem un-schooled idiot... ROTFL.....

    You know who I am talking about  *cough * me....

    I really dont talk religion anymore, because it seems to cause such heated hatred from non belivers and believers alike... I like knowing that I have God in my life and that is enough for me....besides you know I am not smart enough to debat anything...LOL

    Lot of love to you sister!!!

    Tina

    ps, hug the boys for me.. your angels are just the best!!!!

  • How about humanity loving unconditionally? I think one type of religion "cornering the market" on that sets up the feeling for a need to have a "talk" with others.

  • Well crap.  I thought I had made a nice long comment yesterday, but evidently it was sucked into the ether. *shrug* 

    I'll probably be blasted by someone for this, but in a nut shell I said that you deserved a big hug for this blog.  I consider myself to be a "former" Christian because I believe that the vast majority of Christians and the whole of Christianity has lost their/its way.  I know way too many people who claim to be doing Jesus' will, yet are filled with hate, exclusive opinions and narrow minded self rightiousness.  I really enjoy knowing Christians who really do "get it".  There are far too few, but luckily for us there are several here on Xanga, with you solidly among them.

  • Jesus has pricipally said to love the poors and nowadays they are in the third world and around us  even in the powerful America . Love is a notion that has multiples facettes .

    I confess you argue very well Terri .

    Love       Michel

  • I just wish there were more people like you expounding like this, Terri.

  • I am not sure that the premise follows the conclusion or visa-versa. As a matter of fact you lost me completely. This reads as though being gay is in fact a sin? And that we cannot love as Christ loved...

    Confused.

  • "Several people this week have made the point that the blessing of a nation is contingent upon the people of that nation conforming to God's law.  This is true."

    One of the reasons I avoid Christian-based blogs is that I can't get rid of my own filters (or splinters, to speak biblically).  So I'll try to be careful here, but I'm tiptoeing among too many splinters to succeed, I know.

    If I read your above quote aright, what we seek is God's blessing.  We receive that by conforming to God's law.  The rest of your argument fairly successfully (in my view) argues that same-sex unions do indeed conform to God's laws, insofar as those laws require believers to be loving and caring of unbelievers.

    But let me step beyond the same-sex union issue to a broader one.  Your premise about seeking God's blessing brings on a series of assumptions that make me quail.  I am a citizen of a nation based on Christian principles.  I'm cool with most of those principles, in general.  But I'm not cool with the concept that our primary objective is seeking God's blessing, and the way to do that is to conform to his laws.  I don't believe in the Christian God.  And if His laws require the kinds of things written in the current version of the Christian Bible, I'm not cool with those either.

    Your message is one of love and inclusiveness.  But I find, in reading Christian writings, that at some point I start feeling very, very excluded

    Can we really all coexist under one governance roof?

    Splinters abound, eh?

  • Lots of thinking i must do. Thank you :)

  • Ahh, I'm late catching up on my SIR list, as usual, but a still small voice is blasting in my brain a single word:

    AMEN>!

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