November 20, 2003
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Codependent Thursday Stuff
I've been reading today, all about Codependency. I'm ready for someting easy to understand like Immanuel Kant's General Introduction to the Metaphysic of Morals. Kant is easy, he's all about figuring out the relationships we have as persons who have both rights and duties to other people. Come to think of it, that's the same thing that figuring out Codependence is all about.
So are you wondering what I'm talking about yet? Hang in there it gets worse. You all know I've been in therapy in recent weeks and I'm blatantly using my blog today to organize some of the thoughts I've been trying to sort through. It's messy folks.
Some of the nicest people you'll ever meet are codependent. They always smile and never refuse to do a favor. They understand other people and have the ability to make other people feel good. People like them. There are two clues in these sentences to why this is a problem, the words 'always' and 'never.' In healthy relationships, partners go out of their way for each other. They engage in give and take. In codependent relationships the taking and giving are one-sided.
Instead of merely approving of themselves, codependent people meet their need for self-esteem by earning the approval of others. They give more than they take because giving allows them to feel useful and justifies their existence. Codependent people have an underdeveloped sense of entitlement. They have difficulty accepting from others because one must first feel deserving and entitled in order to freely accept what is offered.
It takes a lot of work to be codependent. A codependent person frequently struggles with low self-esteem, depression, anxiety, and especially guilt as well as other painful thoughts and feelings. They judge themselves using far stricter criteria for their own behavior than they use to measure the performance of others. In fact, while they are brutally critical of their own misbehavior, they are very good at justifying and excusing the misbehavior of others. "He didn't mean it." "She didn't do it with malice." "Its the best he can do." "She had such a rotten childhood." To their partners and friends they are understanding, patient, merciful, and kind. With themselves they are nazi torture experts.
The central concept here is that the codependent person "takes it" and "understands" and "puts up with" and "forgives" despite feelings of hurt and anger which are rarely expressed or even acknowledged. The codependent person waits for the build up of brownie points in heaven, or for a loved one to be magically healed through their persistent love and care-taking, they accept disrespect from others. It does not occur to the codependent person that it is not ok to "take it" and "put up with" no matter what.
Codependent people frequently find themselves in abusive relationships because an unfortunate side effect of the codependent person's willingness to ignore, excuse, or otherwise allow abuse or disrespect is that the misbehavior directed at them continues and intensifies. Implicit or explicit permission to misbehave is granted since the codependent person "understands."
Control is the theme of the codependent life. The codependent person controls self-esteem by catering to others. He controls by being over-responsible taking up slack for others, she controls by advising others (which, by the way, is an excellent means of avoiding true intimacy.) These people work very hard to control everyone and everything but they neglect the one person they truly have control over, themself. (that looks funny - is themself a word? isn't that paradoxical to put a plural with a singular? I mean you wouldn't say "manyone" - some linguistic person might want to advise me on this one.) Codependent people are also very good at clouding the subject with distraction and obfuscation.
Why would anyone do all this work, spend so much time and energy to control outcomes while actively neglecting the self? How can they do this without realizing they are selling themselves short? They don't know any other way, and they received very good training early in life. Because I'm really talking about me today, I'll go ahead and skip through the various dysfunctional family scenarios that could produce a codependent person and zero in on the one that I know intimately. When a parent is angry and controlling, the child learns to anticipate and please that parent in order to avoid humilation and punishment. The child (me - this is all about me today - in spite of what I said about Kant) learns that love is conditional and that it must be earned.
You know I really am going to have to write a blog about Kant and his Higher Good. It's so related to this whole problem of codependency and in fact, application of Kant's moral postulates may be my key to finding my way out of this mess. See the first of Kant's postulates is that for the Higher Good, there must be freedom. Free will, free choice, free french fries with your happy meal Sorry, I couldn't resist
. Since codependency is about control, breaking that cycle has to be about release.
And completely unrelated to the above, I have a couple more pics of me and my friends to share ....
Me and Natasha .... Faith and Natasha
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It looks like y'all had a blast!
Whattabunchacuties!
And, BPD is like codependence on crack.
Let me take a crack at this:
Why would anyone do all this work, spend so much time and energy to control outcomes while actively neglecting the self?
Our society is a network. A network of obligations. Indeed, we become "socialized" by learning how to live up to the expectations of others and serve the needs of others, as we must. Where are we taught to HAVE expectations of others? Where are we taught to COLLECT on the obligations we have earned? I sure didn't get much of that in school. Bet you didn't either.
You know Terri...this hits me in the face in a LOT of ways. (Sit down, going to blog in your comments!) I've HAD that childhood...and in so many ways I am exactly that person you describe...I'll do anything to please those I care about, to the point that I begin to feel used, or needy myself, because I've given it all away to others...and at that place and time, I begin to ask for something back from whomever it is that I've been giving to so freely. And you know what? They always, always, ALWAYS head for the hills, leaving me sitting alone, usually crushed in spirit, and hurt so badly because *I* did all that for them, but *THEY* could/would not return anything back to me when I needed it!
It's something I have struggled with my whole life, trying to give to please the part of me that wants to give, and help, and hoping to find that person who just once will turn me around, make me sit down, and not allow me to do and do for them until I'm out of everything I have to give. I haven't found anyone yet who will go those same miles for me after I've traveled so far up the road. Maybe what I'm looking for doesn't exist, or maybe all I attract in reality is the group who takes and runs.
Either way, I know the way this feels...and it sucks.
Linguistics: I believe it's themselves, plural. But I know, it does look awkward!
This blog reminded me of my own foray through the bookshelves of codependency, many many moons ago. Learned good tools to move beyond it.
Perhaps there are a lesson or two in there I need to revisit though. A refresher course of sort.
(Damn Xanga is eating the comments still!!! grrr)
TAKE III -- As I was saying also...
I hope you do write the Kant blog. I'd really like to read that.
Damn. A lot of that sounds appallingly familiar, though 'codependent' is not a word I would have applied to myself. Maybe I should.
Linguistics: 'themself' looks like a construction arising from the use of 'them' as a gender-neutral substitue for the awkward 'he or she.' I'd rework that sentence to read: A person like this must work very hard to control everyone and everything but he neglects the one person he truly has control over, himself. But then, I am not hung up about using the masculine pronoun to denote people in general.
Well, that cleared up a lot... I just assumed I was co-dependent since I already had a host of other issues-- good to know that codependency's one issue that I DO NOT suffer from for a change! Thank you.
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As usual, you've written a fabulous blog! You have some mighty good thoughts.
Fun pics! Interesting stuff. I know you'll work it all out. In the meantime, please pass me some of those free french fries with my happy meal
Reading your description of a codependent person...I have a hard time relating. I'm definately NOT a people pleaser. I can and do say "NO" quite often. There's probably a phychological term for that but who knows what it is....oh yeah, I think maybe it's "bitch." 
Codependency is a strong part of motherhood. It is a delight in and of itself, although, naturally, it loses its appeal eventually. Some people, both the nurturer and the nurtured, may enjoy these roles so much that they seek to replicate them whenever possible. If the right people find each other, whether or not the relationship is healthy or not, according to your culture, they may be a jigsaw pair, and happy.
Just a devil's advocate type of thing you understand. It was a thought-provoking blog, and that's what it provoked!
That is so me! Just call me the yes friend! Most of my friend know this and take complete advantage of it too. I've just over the past couple years, been adding the word NO to my vocabulary.
Great Blog!
Hugs
Fabulous photos!
When pregnant with my son, I was upset with my MIL .. I could do no right. SHe was/is a horrible person. I still tried to please her. My ob handed me codependant no more. Best gift I recieved at that time. I learned alot and realized I cannot please everyone, nor do I care to. I didnt then either.. I just did it because I felt it was the "right" thing to do. PHew, glad I am past that (for the most part)
Good Blog.
I am SO loving the fact that you are sharing more photos of yourself for us to see....I love to see the person I have been chatting with...it makes it seem so much more personal...not that I dont think that we are close already..but it adds another facet to the blogging relationship.
Take care and I hope you have a great day!
Tina
i would be codependant if i weren't so darn stubborn.....i've got all those qualities of trying to please others...picking up the slack, and low self esteem, but i've also got a very stubborn steak and a side which seems to allow me to get what i want...(it could just be that i'm a spoiled brat with a conscience????)
thanks for clearing up who's who in the pics
what a lot of long haired blondes
got go more form filling needs to be done
great blog btw.
I would like to hear more about how advising others "is an excellent means of avoiding true intimacy".
I think if I analyzed myself that deeply, I'd end up a blubbering idiot hiding in the corner. As opposed to blubbering idiot standing out in the open.
I hope all this introspection is having a healing effect. Have a great weekend.
I couldn't follow much of this, but it was interesting.
very nice
Great points here - I see I too have been in a place like this - moniet could have been writing that piece for me
Just never had it termed codependance. A whole different story lately, as I felt hurt way too many times, and decided to go the other way now and allow myself to be less dependant on others for emotional support. Still have times of feeling down or less 

Great photos by the way. You all do look lovely.
(I think Faith needs to get her hair cut. Like, really)
(I LIKE "manyone." Perfect!)
Codependence. As always, you've explained very thoroughly. The bit about the parent and the child gives me the cold shivers. I hope its not too late for my eldest
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