July 31, 2003
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Fighting Fair
Several weeks back I posted an excerpt from Virginia Satir's book Peoplemaking which describes people living authentically - assertively. Way down at the bottom of her description she says that fully human people fight fairly.
It's not easy to fight fairly, we live in a culture that tends to applaud when the underdog throws sand in the eyes of his opponent, we think of that as resourceful, plucky, and we approve the fact that the guys we've chosen to back will take advantage of every trick in the book to win. I'd like to suggest that unfair tactics may win the fight, but ultimately they lead to loss. The unfair tactic costs us our honor, our integrity and the trust of our potential allies in future fights. Unfair may win the fight, but it costs us the war.
It's not so hard to throw sand in the eyes of an opponent, it's much more difficult to get off the ropes and find that opponent's legitimate weakness. I view the temptation to resort to unfair tactics as a signal that I should stop and take a closer look at my opponent and ask myself whether my opponent might not be in the right. There is no loss of honor in conceding a battle when you have looked honestly at the other side's position and determined that they know what they are talking about.
At this point it would be disingenuous not to mention the battle that occurred on Xanga three days ago. As the person who fired the opening shot of that little conflict, I realize that I bear significant responsibility for what happened later. I am pleased and proud to say that for the most part the people who joined me stuck clearly to our original aims and avoided unfair tactics. There was some confusion as is to be expected in anything involving more than one person. But overall, the blogs written to raise awareness of the inconsistent manner in which Xanga has in the past enforced it's Terms of Use were carefully thought out and went no further than to call for consistent enforcement.
The thing that has disturbed me greatly over the past few days is that a number of people, some of whom knew better, have characterized my position as being a call for censorship. When I sent the email asking people to assist me, I requested that any blog written be linked back especially to myself, and then more generally to any of the other blogs that might be written. One of the people who chose to enter the discussion chose not to provide that link, and from that blog, a counter-opinion spread that based itself not on a legitimate argument against our actual position, but on an argument against a position that was never promoted here. In terms of logic, this is known as the fallacy of the strawman. Instead of addressing the argument of your opponent, you stereotype the opponent, change his argument to something against which you have better ammunition, and you fight that strawman.
You may get in some good licks on the strawman, but you have lost your battle because you've chosen to fight unfairly. The people against whom you make the false argument know its false and dismiss it. The people who came late to the battlefield get caught up in a fight that they don't understand and say things that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. This happened on Monday and Tuesday of this week and sadly, I've seen several Xanga friendships suffer as a result.
Some people noticed that in the original list of responders to my request there were men and women in almost equal number, we had people who come from Christian, Pagan, Atheist, and other religious and philosophical backgrounds, there were people who write poems, essays, and one that posts erotic fiction. In other words, there were people from every corner of the Xanga world. We certainly do not all agree with each other, and even the briefest of tours through those sites would have made it clear that the call was not for censorship.
Some things we do have unintended consequences. I learned on Monday that the ripples that go out from our blogs travel much further than I had previously realized and that has increased my sense of responsibility for taking care with the words I choose. I learned that some things are indeed important enough that people can rise above personal differences to speak with one voice in calling for a solution and that has increased my sense of empowerment as an individual. I also learned that it is possible, although I will frankly admit that I had my doubts going in, to achieve the intended result - in this case gaining the attention of the Xanga Team - without using unfair and negative tactics. This last has increased my sense of hope that positive change is possible.
I'd like to thank The Xanga Team - John posted yesterday that he is in the process of making the Terms of Use issue a top priority. That he is going through the backlog and attempting to render judgments on sites that have been reported. In addition, he is exploring options proposed by several thoughtful Xangans for changing the way that abuse is handled on Xanga to make enforcement of the Terms of Use more consistent. These are the outcomes we wanted to achieve. I hope it won't sound too much like I'm bragging when I say that I am pleased beyond all measure that these outcomes came as a result of fair fighting.
Human beings living humanly are people who understand, value, and develop their bodies, finding them beautiful and useful. They are real and honest to and about themselves and others; they are loving and kind to themselves and others. People living humanly are willing to take risks, to be creative, to manifest competence, and to change when the situation calls for it. They find ways to accommodate what is new and different, keeping the best parts of what is useful and discarding what is not. When you add all this up you have physically healthy, mentally alert, feeling, loving, playful, authentic, creative, productive, responsible human beings. These people stand on their own two feet, love deeply and fight fairly (and effectively.) They are on equally good terms with their toughness and their tenderness and know the difference between them. - Virginia Satir, PeopleMaking
Comments (32)
I have NO idea what was going on here...
And probably just as well....
Hey! I gotta say, I joined in without a clear view of the goal, meaning, I am not aware of the sites, specifically, which caused you to 'go to arms' for the attention, and action, of the 'Xanga gods'. I went ahead and added my voice because I trust you and Teri and others who were involved and any time I know of an unfairness I can barely stand it so I wanted to take part in seeing things be made right. I don't really want to be aware of the sites that would cause this to be necessary, and I don't want to know any of the ones who decided to turn it into a censorship war (silly people). I only hoped, as I sent it, my addition was clear enough since I don't have a lot of the specifics. I just wanted them to review and enforce what they posted was expected of anyone writing here and not allow anyone to harm others. The scariest part was the giving out info on someone, private things! I did not like that idea at all!
If you would like to inform me about how that can be done, send me an email. I am not as savvy as some when it comes to the understanding of stored info and I may need to be more careful myself with what I put where in the computer.
Thanks and keep fighting fairly!
Deb
I blow off most negative stuff as the scribblings of the powerless and uninformed. But you are right--there is no need for the kind of crap that goes on.
Wow, I am amazed that it was taken this way. It is so incredibly OBVIOUS to me that when someone's safety is at risk that that should be stopped. I don't use "censored" because that is not what it is.
I am a card carrying member of the ACLU, even.
Publishing people's full names, address and alleged criminal or INS mis-doings is NOT COOL. It's just not. I am not concerned about people who have political squabbles or simply have a different point of view.
I understand your concern on the issue, yet at the same time I still say you were the winner. You stirred folks up, got 'em riled, and got even more attention. And you got the notice of Xanga. Wasn't that your goal? John understood clearly what the original message was, he responded to it, and it seems that things are moving along nicely. Good on ya, my dear. If he does as he stated he planned? Mission accomplished.
In addition! You were the source for a lot of inspirational writing, and I think it cannot get to any higher level of writing than that. You cannot control what people take away from what you wrote. You mention the scarecrow theory, but I guess I'm looking at this in a much more positive light here--you touched folks with your words and they responded to what got touched. That's how life works, philosophical theories aside.
You should be damned proud, as I'm damn proud to call ya my friend.
yeah, what Natasha said... fo sho
more than that, though, I admire not only that you took a stand, but that you take responsibility for the fallout from taking that stand.
This is an insightful, thoughful piece of writing that very much reflects the Terri that I know, and I AM damned proud of ya!
Very well written. Very.
I completely agree with Daff. You are an amazing woman, full of fire and light! I am moved by this post, and am proud to say that I know you. -Kate
Kewl - and just think ..... You learned all the wonderful things you know from me!
I forgot to link everyone when I did my blog (such that it was) but I don't believe I am the person you are making vague reference to (email me).
i wrote a blog on the subject, but mine was in response, mostly, to comments i'd read -- not the blogs themselves.
I blogged about it just few hours ago but i didn't get your email so I had no idea that you wanted me to link back to you. I'll go post a link to you right away - sorry.
"Any change, even a change for the better, is always accompanied by drawbacks and discomforts." - Arnold Bennett
I'm please to hear of the change for the better.
I'm sorry to hear of the discomfort. I'm sorry you're disturbed greatly over the number of people who have characterized your position as being a call for censorship. You sure don't deserve that. Any one who has read your blogs long enough would know better! The thought that someone would even think this is laughable to me. Quiltnmomi calling for censorship? Come on!
They might as well believe in flying monkeys.
By the way, Virginia Satir's quote at the end of your blog sounds like she is describing a good Scout.....physically healthy, mentally alert.....I bet she's the mother of a Boy Scout. I'm guessing she's gotten some kids ready for Scout camp?
Terri ~ Thank you for everything you have done. I'm glad that your efforts had an affect, and I"m sorry that people construed things incorrectly. Knowing you the little amount that I do makes me wonder how anyone who has read anything from you would consider you meant censorship. I am glad to be able to get to know you through your blogging, and must admit that you are someone that has caught my attention. (I promise not in a bad way! ROFL
) Have a great day...
I dont think it was me...at least I hope not...I truly wanted to help..
I think what we did was to help..not censore anyone.
Take care and have a great day!
Tina
As always......bravo!!!!! Happy Thursday....each new day gets brighter and brighter! ~Kira
I hope it wasn't me either, but I listed a LOT of people who were discussing the issue in my blog, as well as using the graphic.
I am in full agreement with you. I think self-censorship is the best, but someone also does not have the right to post personal information about me in the internet either. There HAS to be a line that is crossed.
I stopped reading the comments because I sensed in them a judgment that because some saw implications in Your battle that You did not see they were "silly."
I did not go to anyone's site and download on them because they dared to see more in what I was saying than saw. In fact I made it a point to go to such sites and applaud those who spoke out contra my feelings just for speaking out. In fact I did so here on this site. I came here today to accept Your apology.
I did not minimize Your battle cry but added what I believed and still believe based on my experiences to be a legitimate potential outcome. Who gets to decide what is offensive, what is right and what is wrong-- You, some anonymous person?
I firmly believe what You seek has the potential to be far more than You choose to see, You disagree because that is not what You meant. My experience has shown what I mean and what others think I mean and what happens can be three distinct different things.
I am distressed that "fair fighting" seems to include "us and them" type thinking, and "them" are those stupid/silly people who are not bright enough to understand what we-"us"- want/meant-- our right thinking. That is exactly what those who discussed "censorship" feared would happen.
I do not think Your members fought the fair fight-- I'm sorry the comments here and in part Your post confirm that disappointing conclusion for me. I ask a simple question-- if You were not seeking censorship- suppression of ideas of some You believe are unacceptable-- then why were You each reading the sites of selected bloggers and making judgments?
This entire situation has disappointed me-- I understand how focused You percieve Your objective to be-- Unfortunately I consider that censorship; You don't. Contrary to Your loyal supporters- I will continue to read Your post because I do not have to agree wth You on everything to find value in what You share.
This too shall pass-- but I will not stay silent because I see more in what You seek than You do. That does not make me "right" and You "wrong" nor vice versa. But it does mean I plan to watch what happens as this develops. My experince in my profession showed that rights get trampled upon as ambiguous rules become speciic.
Peace
Mara
My sadness does not translate to anger- just sadness that there always seems to have to be a winner and a loser. I hope--dream-- for more. "You may say that I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one." [Blogger111 reminded me of this song.]
You are a fine woman and I do enjoy Your thoughts and posts.
May we grow together
In Love an Light
Mara
Q,
There are those that cannot understand because they have no idea why I (YES>>>I THE DREAD PIRATE) started the entire enforce the TOU movement. They do, by default, not have all the data needed to make an informed judgment. It is to be expected. Fear not the outcome. Fear not the extremes and the misinterpretations. Individuals cannot but help misunderstand what we are asking if they have not read my entry or the entries on xdreadx and the stalkers site in question. If they have taken it to heart and combat for a different cause then it is a cause they champion and it was BOTH you and I that sparked their flash pan!
Fear not the darkness as we…
Sail on… sail on!!!
I want to say a lot of things here - but I've already said them repeatedly over the past few days.
I'm glad you wrote me, Teri. I am proud to have been part of the initial group. But even if you hadn't asked me to write on it, I would have joined in immediately upon seeing it.
Therefore, the responsibility for my participation is only my own.
Often the pure truth lies not in what "this" one or "that" one believes, but somewhere in the middle. While we did not ask for censorship, there are those who perceive any attempt to enforce the rules as just that, whether they agreed to the rules or not. That is their responsibility.
I personally did not lose any friendships over this, and I'm sorry to hear others have. I think it's very sad that a friendship would be damaged by a difference of opinion over something so subjective as a plea to enforce the ToU vs. the rally cry of (never mentioned) censorship. Real friendships surpass and embrace the differences so to learn from them. Dumping people because you don't agree with them simply isn't part of the equation. It's called agreeing to disagree. If you love someone enough to call them "friend", then you learn how to get around those issues you simply cannot agree on.
Just as those who fought against the perceived censorship were well within their rights to do so, we also were within our rights to expect the ToU to mean something besides legal ass covering.
Cheers again to you, for taking the stand. We accomplished our goal - not of censorship, but of getting Xanga to take a look at the problems and write some more concise terms for dealing with them.
Accept and be touched by that, and let the rest go.
Rah rah shish boom bah!!

I will join the first commenter in saying I have no idead what is going on here due to not being on xanga much these past few days. I have reported a couple of sites I found offensive and they were both gone the next time I looked for them so in those cases, one report was all it took to get some xanga action.
o/
God Bless - Dale
Well, not only do you LOOK like Meredith Vieira, but you write like her too.
Hot and smart. Good Lord woman, you're an inspiration!
I didn't know what TOU was when I first hit a blog mentioning some fight going on. Then I figured it out by someone who linked to some without names but did it well enough that I was able to quickly ascertain the deal.
This is like the Republicans vs. the Democrats in some respects huh? lol Sorry, stupid joke. Anyway, I'm glad everyone spoke up, whatever their issue and the end result was achieved. Regardless of the dissection of arguments (erroneous as that seemed to be?) you all got Xanga taking a closer look and THAT my dear is awesome.
i am saddened that you had to lose a friendship over this subject, but i truly appreciate your decision to initiate this trying and challenging battle.
i've also encountered those who believed that this is a call for censorship. if you'll read the comments relating to this subject on my site (which are by far less interesting than yours, and i'm jealous), TTKPimpin and i tried to illustrate to people that this was not the case, but with little luck.
however, john's decision to go over the ToU is a wonderful start. keep up the good work, and thanks for giving me hope in the xangan community again.
with love and respect, stephanie.
i was going to leave xanga yesterday because of this blatant and cruel attacks on people and myself ... but i thought after a deep discussion with friends and a few fellow xangans that if i were to leave, i would be letting them win ... well i be damned if i will let them win ... i came to xanga because i believed it to be fun, and a way for me to deal with my life, and i will continue to come to xanga believing it to be as such ... but ... i will NOT be blogging about my life in such detail so that those ignoramouses can attack and brutaly hurt me ever again *sighs*
i really enjoyed what you wrote and i sincerely thank you for this ... it has made one xangan proud to say you are a great person *hugs*
Just here for the knowledge and inspiration.
Mike
I missed the entire shooting match so I'll have to go back and do some reading. I notice from someone's comments above that you have now been awarded the capital You. lol
Though I did not see anything of the original sources, I have been following what has been going on. I applaud you and the rest who have tried to make Xanga a better place for the rest of us.
We can't see all the ripples in advance. But we take the risk anyway. I can live with that. And man oh man, I love when it works. Good job, Terri. Very, very fine work on your part. Then and now.
PS: LO-very-L @ santiago and middleageguy.
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