July 29, 2003
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And The Winner Is ....
All of us. Thank you to everyone who blogged about the Xanga Terms of Use yesterday and to those of you who are continuing to add your voices to the discussion today. I have said before that the people who have subbed to my site are the cream of Xanga. You guys totally rock.
The first order of business with any expression of concern about an issue is to define the problem. As I defined it yesterday, the problem is that we have Terms of Use, but they are inconsistently enforced. It has also been pointed out that it's difficult to be consistent if the terms are vague. I'll grant that the less ambiguity the better. Perhaps the Xanga Terms of Use should be examined to see if they are in fact enforceable as written.
However, and this is the key point. The specific situation I outlined yesterday was one in which a blog was reported that clearly violated the Terms of Use. Posting private personal information about another Xangan doesn't leave much room for discussion of whether the action is vulgar or obscene - its tortious. (Love that word!) There is no interpretation necessary and for that particular blogsite to have been ignored (as of this morning it's still there) has nothing to do with whether or not the Church Lady thinks my Profile Picture is a bit much. And yes, if you haven't noticed, I AM in fact naked in that shot.
If you want to be rude, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, or use bad spelling on your site, I really think that's your issue. I may choose not to read what you have to say, but it's hard for me to believe that bad taste equals direct harm to another person. Xanga is a community of writers, so I know that many of us get a bad taste in our mouth at the very thought of censorship, and in many ways I think rightly so. It's always a dangerous thing to suprress free speech. I know that some of the people in my camp may disagree with my position here, but that's okay, they can even call me names and take issue with my naked profile self. What they cannot do is post information about me that makes me vulnerable to identity theft. They cannot post credible threats to my person or property. Those actions are tortious. (See I told you I liked that word - so I'm using it again.)
I'm all for Kindness and Fairness, but at the same time, I'm very glad that those aren't the standards that I have to blog by. I'm not always kind, and I'm not always fair. I'm not the Xanga Team. In setting up any organization, rules must be thought through and a plan of enforcement must be developed. What will be done when a person violates the terms of use. Will it be one strike, two strikes, three strikes? Will it be lost of some privileges? Will the site be closed and IP tracers set up to prevent a second site being opened from that computer? These are decisions which must be made. They must be made fairly. I'm not particularly worried with whether the Xanga Team is kind to people who would engage in illegal behavior, but it looks good on the button. Thank you very much to Craktpot for making it.
Of all the many many blogs I read yesterday, I'd like to recommend that if you missed it - you absolutely must check out Aleph's. Other blogs were eloquent in describing the problem and calling for action - his proposes specific workable options for solving the problem.
If you are wondering where we go from here, I suggest that you do what I intend to do. I'm planning to contact John, Dan, Marc, and Monsur through their email and their Xanga sites. I will be forwarding blogs from yesterday and will be asking them to revisit the issue of enforcement. They have given us powerful options with the delete, block, no anonymous subscibing allowed that have gone far down the road of solving some of the early problems Xanga experienced. I'm going to encourage them not to give away their momentum in continuing to build the Xanga community into the coolest place on the web.
I'll hope to see you in their comments sections and guestbook.
Comments (29)
I agree with you muchly. I did read his post and out of all the posts that seem to dislike what we were saying.. that one was well written and to a point. I was really getting tired of people NOT reading - and just assuming we were prude pollyanna's looking for Nirvanic bliss. Not even close. There is such a difference between being cruel and abusive and posting some great graphics/writing that is heading in the erotic direction. And NOT aimed at hurting another person.
I think a lot of people got that. I think some didn't see the aim. Oh well. Either way, I think this went really well and I am glad you brought it to my attention.

Doughnut?
OMG; not only unmasked but [gasp] naked???
Aleph's constructive suggestions are well worth highlighting in gold.
Excellent morning-after notes, lovely lady.
I don't know what to say, but finally for once I read someone's entire blog..interesting.. I haven't done any Illegal stuff, as far as i know.. I did however put my own site in annonymous(sp?) on my other site, is that bad..laterzz..Take Care!!...
SS - You are a bad girl - I'll bet you can hear my stomach rumble all the way over there in New England. LOL!!
Great entry, as always! I hope some people read the words of the advocates yesterday and didn't just look at the pretty pictures....drives me nuts!! Happy Tuesday, cutie!
Kira
Yes, I can
That's why I offered
Heehehehhee - well let it never be said that I don't share 
Oh dear! I am not quite clear on what's happening, but I'm definitely against harassment and all for fairness and kindness. Yikes! *hugs*
You're just a mover and a shaker, aren't you?
au contraire, Madame, YOU rock, and it matters not your state of attire in yon profile...
Aleph (whose blog is great) pointed out one of the things that struck me: how vague the TOU's are. Sometime back, I wrote John and volunteered to help in whatever capacity to help build community~I got an open-ended "maybe someday" reply.
One thing I have observed during this adventure, people confuse kindness and niceness. The two are simply not interchangeable. You can tell someone something kind that is not at all nice (i.e. their butt does look big in those pants, LOL! Only someone who cared would have the courage to say something like that.)
I kept stumbling trying to be brief with the button sound byte... wanting to add something about the TOU's (at the same time being bugged by their vagueness.) Maybe the button needs to be more vague with some type of question. Or maybe just "Xanga rules" which is subject to many interpretations, even a positive one!
Yea, censorship is bad, but so is malicious thought to the point of detriment to others~murder is first contemplated in the mind. What ya gonna do?
I am concerned by all of this and have written a post on it. Mara
Gosh. I've only just been able to read my SIR; I'm kind of sad I missed yesterday's discussion. Anyway, I'll answer that in the right place
You're it!
1. Leave a comment saying you want to be interviewed.
2. I will respond; I'll ask you five questions.
3. You'll update your journal with my five questions, and your five answers.
4. You'll include this explanation.
5. You'll ask other people five questions when they want to be interviewed.
Here are my five questions for you:
1. Your family. If you could give your family one enduring, lifelong gift, whether material or spiritual, what would it be and why? An example might be, "financial security for the rest of their lives" or "the wisdom to discern honesty from untruth".
2. What is most essential to your feeling beautiful?
3. Are you harder on yourself than you are on others?
4. Which of these qualities do you feel is most important, and why (assuming these are quite seperate qualities)? Kindness, strength, honesty or determination?
5. What turns you on? This needn't be about the sexual kind of "turn on"--it can be what makes you feel most alive, too.
Very much looking forward to the answers, Terri! (and thankyou for volunteering!)
Nekkid? I didn't know you were nekkid! O_o
Terri - you ROCK.
I was very surprised to find that so many thought we were calling for censorship. HELL NO! Just enforcement of their own rules. I thought the blogs were pretty concise...either they weren't, or people just read what they wanted to see.
I want a doughnut too, dammit...
Did Christy say doughnut??? Mmmmmm....dooooo - nuuut...
It's bad, I see web sites set up only to slam another Xanga user. I have seen a lot of it through other sites and now it's reaching mine. The Xanga team have given us some powerful tools to use as in block and no anonymous subscribers. As long as we can ignore, the trouble will go away. Hopefully.
mmmmmmm ........ nekkid doughnouts ......
upon this blog I do ponder... tis totally unmasked you be.. for you opened up pandoras box... and found that xangaland is truelly a cool place for the writ... blog on dear unmasked one ... blog one... very interesting yes indeed very interesting... tis freedom of the writ I seek...
Bright Blessings Chel
Very nice commentary on a substantial problem. I hope they are able to figure out a way to remedy the situation. I know it is difficult for them because they have limited staff and very poor privacy design. Even if they decided to ban a person, it is extremely easy for that person to get back online under a diffferent name. It is a mess. But hopefully something can be worked out.
Thanks for your thoughtfulness on this issue,
Rich
I hope you had a great day today....I am pooped...LOL
Too much going on here....but I hope that we did something good...
Lots of love,
Tina
Eh, isn't tortious spelt tortuous? I never heard of tortious. (This is in no way condescending) Correct me if I'm wrong.
I did just that yesterday...I e-mailed a copy of all the blogs I read to the Xanga team, along with a request that they take action. Took forever, there were so many. The one thing area in which I felt very ineffective, however, was my inability to provide a name(s) or user id(s) so they could take action. I can only assume that they would review their emails and search for that info. I know at least you sent it.
Woah Nellie on the profile pic. I did NOT notice your Eve-ness in the pic until now. That explains the glow I noticed the first time I saw it.
I completely understood what you were trying to say and agree completely. I hope that the powers that be will listen and tighten the reigns on those violation their very own rules...what is the point of having them if only to allow them to be ignored
Belinda
who obviosly missed much in my xangacation
I believe if impassioned debate and so appreciate Your efforts to guide people during the current debate. Thank You
Mara
John responds with this. He needs the link(s) in order to be effective. You have this or have sent it already?
tortious.... use it just one more time and it's yours
I'm tired... I just want my little xanga world to be happy
But I guess change is inevitable (and necessary?)
This is just a difficult issue all around. As much as I would love to "wipe out" all of the hateful, in my opinion, blogs...I know this is not the solution. I agree that we have a block/delete button we can use, I will stand up for someone if someone is attacking them with hate but I can not support censorship of any kind. In case anyone cares what I think...LOL. So, are "we" trying to get someone off Xanga? and if so, who and why? sorry to be confused...Peace and Blessings
OMG! are you talking about that face pic you have? I never noticed that you were "naked" I never looked below your chin, swear. Now, that you are saying that I guess I can see that you might be naked but you could just have a real low top on or something...but if you say you are naked, you hussy, I guess you are...oh, please know I am sooo joking. I think it is great to be nude and not have hang ups about it...to say the least. I want to be a nudest, my husband and I are nude a lot at home. That is like people that get offended at a woman BREASTFEEDING! To me that is the most natural beautiful expression of motherhood and life, and those that are offended have the problem not the mother. Peace and Blessings
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