May 22, 2003

  • So What Do You Know?


    In the past several months, I've met a plethora of Xangans.  Some in real life and others through the unusual (for me) medium of Instant Messaging.  I can tell you that if you are an IM fan, I'm hard to catch.  The demands of my life mean that I'm almost never online at the same time as anyone else, and even when I do show up, I'm not here long. 


    Be that as it may, I've noticed a surprising trend.  Talking with these people who have known me only through Xanga, in every case, one of the first questions asked is, "Where did you go to school and what kind of degree do you hold?"  If I were a paranoid person, I'd think that the question was motivated by a desire to put me in an intellectual box from which the person could say, "Oh, well, of course you'd have that opinion, you have a degree in whateverdom."   The context of the question and the follow-ups to it do not support my paranoid theory of the inquiry.  In each and every case, the next question has been along the lines of, "Why on earth would you read Immanuel Kant if you didn't have to?"


    Frankly, I'm not terribly impressed by my degree.  I hold a Bachelor's in Business Administration from the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville (go Hogs! whooo, Pig, sooooie).  Several years after I completed that degree I moved on to Oklahoma where I began a Master's of Social Work Program at OU.  I dropped out of that program after the first year due to philosophical reasons.  That ended my foray into education for the pursuit of a degree. 


    One of my favorite professors at the UofA taught statistics, and programming languages.  Of course, back then we were studying BASIC, Fortran, and COBOL, languages now considered as ancient and incomprehensible to my PC as Sanskrit is to me.  But I have fond memories of Dr. Thibault patiently telling me, "You need to walk before you run!" And shaking his head (he was also my advisor) over some outlandish course request that he would have to sign for me, "You sure don't let school get in the way of your education."  I loved that line and took it to heart. 


    While other people in my class graduated with the required number of hours plus maybe an elective or two, I had over 30 hours beyond the degree requirement.  If I saw a course in the catalog that appealed to me, I hunted down the professor and badgered him into allowing me entrance even if there were prerequisites that I had no intention of taking.  I was able to take Middle Eastern Politics and Advanced Soviet American Relations (both senior level poli sci courses) just because Dr. Vanneman liked my attitude.  I weasled my way into Existential Philosophy and Ethics before I took the required Introduction to Philosophy.  And I never went back and picked up "Figure Drawing" which was supposed to be completed before I took Calligraphy.  I had to take calligraphy because you see, I had just read Frank Herbert's Dune, and I needed to have the Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear inscribed and framed for my wall.


    Thats been my pattern for everything I pick up.  I have a question, or a need so I go looking for information.  Usually, the book that introduces me to the topic only raises more questions so I go on to the next and the next and the next.  I find the books that I want to read from the footnotes and the bibliographies of the interesting sections. 


    I have not yet developed my reading list for the summer.  In fact I haven't picked up anything new since February when I devoured the material on the life and work of J R R Tolkien.  I've been doing a lot of writing for the past 3 months and that's taking a great deal of my time and energy.  But I'm noticing that the further I go in time from the periods when I stiumlate myself with challenging ideas and new perspectives, the more I feel that my well is drying up. 


    I'm certain that I want to spend some time rereading old favorites.  What better way to enjoy the beach than with Hawking's Brief History of Time, William Barrett's Irrational Man or Jacob Neusner's Judaism in the New Testament?  But in addition to these, I'll need something new, and since George R R Martin is being slow about releasing the next installment of his series, I'm scouting around for interesting selections.  Oh, I know I want to add Azar Nafisi's Reading Lolita in Tehran, but that will barely get me through a couple weeks at best. 


    So  do you have any suggestions?

Comments (18)

  • Speaking of mammoth fantasy series, are you following Kate Elliott's "Crown of Stars"?  Book 5 is just out, and she promises faithfully that Book 6 will be the conclusion.

    I also just read Krakatoa, by Simon Winchester, and found it a lot more absorbing than his previous book; but it's kind of short, and won't hold you long. Devil in the White City, by Erik Larson, was interesting and inspired me to find out more about the 1893 World's Fair, the serial killer H.H. Holmes, and the history of bellydance.

  • You may have already perused them, but Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series is wonderful!  I compare them to Tolkien, personally, in the creation of a world and the struggle between overwhelming evil/good.  AND he manages to sustain interest through 10 volumes!

  • I really like Terry Goodkind's series as well as Robert Jordan.

  • I am hard to catch any more as well on IM (and I used to be practically ubiquitous)...  but I find myself craving absolutely lengthy drawn-out deeply philosophical questions that call on the recesses of my mind that are starting to atrophy.  I crave a tactile correspondence (letter writing - definitely a lost art).

    I bet I get funnier looks than you with my degree in Political Science degree (especially with my militantly cynical phase), since I have worked in an engineering field for 20 years!

  • Just this weekend I was talking to some friends and we were discussing getting to know different people what questions do we ask.  I think it’s funny how most people tend to ask the ‘what do you do for a living & where do you work’ and ‘where did you go to school & what did you study’ almost immediately.  I don’t or at least try not to.  Reason?  Because that doesn’t make the person, I want to get to know them on other levels and then if I happen to find out I think of it as ‘bonus information’ on that person.  I know this sounds odd but I just don’t want to immediately label someone and knowing those things tend to make you even if you try not to. 
    Now since that really didn’t have anything to do with what you are saying, I’ll shut up!!  Hehe!  But you know me; I pick things out of thin air sometimes!

  • i'm just excited if someone asks me something besides, "so is your husband babysitting your kids right now?"

  • I share your love for learning about things. A good read...
    "Magic of the Ordinary-Recovering the Shamanic in Judaism" by Gershon Winkler.
    Enjoy your Summer!

  • Those inferring label questions are annoying. I stopped work when I married.. and ohh that What do you do for a living Q....giving an inferrence of categorisaton - man that annoys me. But.. often it is an attempt to find common ground. Hoping you have a great weekend there

  • that's a question i would have asked of you, too. and thanks for answering even before i asked. although again, what is a degree, right?

    good reads: i dunno if it was you or faith who has not read The Hours yet? that book was good even befoe the movie. and yes about martin, i wish he would hurry up. Oh if you have not read stephen donaldson, you must (the thomas convenant books, and a Mirror of Her Dreams/Man Rides Through). I would envy you discovering these books. And any book by neal stephenson, i am almost sure you would appreciate him. I have The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier Clay by michael chabon and Geek Love by katherine dunn on my to-read shelf and i am excited. geez i will stop. maybe i will write you some more.

  • Wow, so I'm not the only person who has read Kant without being forced? I wish I had stuck with the (useless) degree I started, I realize now that it would have been better to finish than to quit and have to start all over again in something new. Oh well, live and learn.

  • I am ashamed to admit I am online too much...my messenger is rarely off and I am almost an open book....

    I think that your gifted brightness...is that astounds and entraps us to come back and read what you have to say...heck you use words I don't even understand much less know how to spell...I do it to see if I can make myself smart....yeah! that is why I visit...I hope your smartness will rubb off!!!!
    LOL

    I think the first thing I would ask you if I saw you online would be......

    How are ya???

    Love ya

    tina

  • Glad you don't stay in the box people put you in!

    books I liked recently:
    Snow Crash -Neal Stephenson
    Peopleware -Tom DeMarco
    Slack -Tom Demarco
    The Eagle's Shadow -Mark Hertsgaard
    Follow the River -James Alexander Thom

  • You are amazing.  By the way, it sounds like we are both IMing at the same time.    I have two accounts but not enough time to use them.  I get on once a week at an appointed time to visit with a cousin in Ohio, and that's pretty much it.  Some day...  Ever read D. Bonhoeffer?

  • I guess I know where I got my curiousity from.  When I was going to school I did the same thing, but then you knew that.  How else would a mathmatics major wind up in Medieval European History.  I think I have you beat on hours though, I managed to graduate with 60 extra hours.  Na na na na na na.

    Some good books,
    Illusions - Richard Bach  (works much better if your older sister reads it to you at bedtime.)
    My Personal Values by William J. Clinton (really short, but humorous)
    A Wrinkle in Time series - Madelain L'Engle (I get something different out of it every time I pick it up)
    and almost anything by David Eddings

    Later,

  • You're a natural academic; the true renaissance woman.  Not many are -- not many at all.  The world needs more of you!!

  • I love your sponge-like curiosity.  This is a spiritual gift.  You recognize that the world is your campus. 

  • I read "Walking The Bible" by Bruce Feiler a while back and now have his book "Abraham" waiting to be read. o/

    God Bless - Dale

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