April 1, 2003

  • Having Trouble Posting?


    I have been, I write the blog and click submit (after copying to clipboard OF COURSE) and then everything crashes.  But I've learned that if I click SUBMIT AND EMAIL instead of plain old SUBMIT then it posts.  I don't know why it works, but it seems to be doing the trick for me so I thought I'd pass it on. 


    Got Death?


    I've been thinking about fiction writing.  I play around with fiction every now and then, as you know from reading my blogs, but mainly I am an essay/non-fiction kind of gal.  When I write fiction I want it to be GOOD fiction.  Now it's possible to cross every 't', dot every 'i' and still have a boring story.  The obvious thing about fiction is that you have to be telling a good story, or you might as well go back to writing essays.  So lately I've been pondering the question, "what makes a good story?"


    Happily for me, greater minds than my own have pondered this question.  Moreover, some really compassionate people who waded through the works of Joseph Campbell, J R R Tolkien's scholarly Oxford stuff, and Mircea Eliade's research into world myth and folklore have taken pity on people like me who want to know - bottom line - what makes a good story.


    Christopher Vogler, a Hollywood script doctor, has translated Campbell's work on the hero's journey into a set of principles for fiction writing.  His book is called "The Writer's Journey" and I heartily recommend it to anyone who wants to write good stories.  You won't learn how to construct clever sentences or avoid the passive verb with his book.  But you will learn how to integrate the archetypal elements that we unconsciously look for when we sit down to hear, read, or watch a story unfold.  A Xanga blog is no place to go into a lengthy discussion of mythic structures.  No matter how I'm tempted.


    My meditation for the past few days has been on the symbolic death.  In the hero's journey the central theme underlying every step of the way is "approach of death."  In a romance we know the story, boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl back permanently.  The point at which boy loses girl, he undergoes a symbolic death - and in many cases the very real psychological death of hopes, dreams, desires.  In and adventure story, the hero comes to that point at which he is trapped with no way out and to get through to the other side, he must in someway die to at least a part of himself.  Tolkien said of The Lord of the Rings that the entire story was about death - from the poem that includes the line "mortal men doomed to die" - three references to death in one line - all the way through the appendix when Aragorn (don't get excited yet, he lives to be something like 210 years old) reveals that the final gift of God to the King is that Aragorn gets to choose when and where he will give up his life in a voluntary death. 


    I've written here before about the struggle of man with mortality.  Rereading all this Tolkien/Campbell material has sent me down that path again which may explain my increased excitement about fiction.  (People tend to frown on killing off your neighbors just to satisfy your curiosity about mortality, but they don't object nearly as strongly when you kill off a character in a story.)  Now I'm thinking through the various possibilities for symbolic death... maybe the judge won't be too hard on me if its just a practical joke...  


    I recently submitted a short story to Dreadpirate's Contest, (you can read mine and other entries here.)  In my story the character is confronted by what may or may not be a life-threatening situation, but the real death comes in the last line.  If you read it, let me know whether or not you think it works. 

Comments (12)

  • Because they don't show the covers of THOSE TYPES of books!!!

    HA!

    Sail on... sail on!!!

  • I actually was able to post this morning but I see I missed another Xanga lost post day!
    On the Xangazon books thingy - I set my pref's to show the book but that never seemed to work, so, I actually copy/paste the book and link from the bottom of the XTools into the post itself and then clear the Xangazon box... when you hit submit it gives an error but it does post (just be sure, to be on the safe side) to submit your post privately, then add the book or what not, then submit again) it should work

  • I always copy my entry before hitting submit... just in case!!!  LoL!!

  • I think good stories exist in the mind and interpretation of the one doing the reading.  For instance, I can read a story that I think is wonderful in context, content, etc...recommend it to someone else and they hate it. 
    As far as what's good in subject matter, again, it's the reader who decides. 
    You know me...I veer more toward the obscure little bargain rack books (with the exception of a few notable best selling authors I can't resist), and usually find myself pleasantly surprised at what I find.

    And...once again...I've rambled on.  Probably missed the point you were trying to make entirely but HEY! E for effort.

  • I think everyone who writes wants to write well...and I also think that anyone who writes can find an audience for what they have to say...the bottom line of it for me is will that audience be enough to make the writer successful financially...or will the costs of publication be enough to stop all but the very rich bad writers who don't care that they are losing money with the publication costs, or those good enough to make enough money to continue.

  • If only I could lure you into a lengthy discussion on mythic structures.  It would be more interesting than sitting with the unread Campbell tomes on my shelves.

    I think John Irving makes good fiction.  I'd describe most of his work as having preposterous plots that really could happen. 

  • Thanks Christy!  That worked. 

    Dread!  Shush, baby, I have family that read this site! 

  • you are very welcome! (It used to drive me batty until I figured that out)

  • I've been having trouble commenting, dernit.  Was starting to get withdrawal symptoms.

    Off to read your entry now...

  • xanga has seemed to be slow and unstable lately.   I got cable internet because it's so fast and yet I sit here staring at the same xanga page forever.  Seems like there are better things I could do except for all you great people I like to read. o/

    God Bless - Dale

  • I haven't just been having problems posting, I've been having problems commenting too!!  and whenever I try to read my sir list (at least for the past few days) xanga re-directs me to a "page not found" error.  then it won't load the pages!  I was getting very irritated!  I'm very interested in your thoughts on mortality...do share.  I'll be sure to check out your story.

  • I'm always cowed by people who research stuff instead of just plunging in willy-nilly.........  Personally, I always compose my own deathless (ahem) prose in Word first.  But I've had d_e_s's problem lately too:  frustrating!

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