October 14, 2002
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Women's Lives . . .
Fugitive and I talk a lot. Recently, we've been talking about our lives as women and the roles we play. How free are we to make and be responsible for our choices? How much of an impact has the Women's Movement had on our lives? We have different ideas about what it means to be a woman in today's world. So I'm starting with my own story.
June 18, 1963 . . . It's a girl! My parents brought me home, wrapped me in soft blankets and set about loving me to adulthood. Growing up in the 1970's, it never occurred to me that there might be opportunities or choices forbidden me because of my sex.
I was in the honors program at my High School and became a National Merit Scholar. As far as I was concerned when I left home I had not only the opportunity but the obligation to do something "significant." I remember that a good friend of mine decided that she was going to be librarian. I was appalled. How could she waste herself that way? She could have been a doctor or a lawyer or something really important.
I earned a Bachelor's in Business Adminstration which I have never used. I graduated from a program that put it's focus on the bottom line. Anything and everything could and should be sacrificed, time, family, resources, and ethics all went into the grinder of good business and cranked out profits. As much as I disliked the philosophical underpinnings of my classes I liked my job as a Resident Assistant in the dorm. My senior year, I spent my time in volunteer programs with Rape Crisis and working as a court appointed Big Sister to teens in trouble. At that time I had fulfilled all but a few credit hours for my degree so I signed up for classes that intrigued me. Philosophy, history, science, and political science. By the time I walked off the campus for the last time, I wanted nothing to do with corporate life but I was afire with ideas and concepts fo changing the world, one person at a time.
I felt that I could do or be anything I wanted. Through jobs that offered inservice training and some post-graduate work, I qualified to work in adolescent psychiatry. In the last of my six years in this field, I partnered with a Social Worker to create a therapy group for patients who had been sexually abused. Researching current hypothesis and treatment methods, I had my first brush with Official Feminist Theory. In my opinion then and now, the offerings from the official women's organizations were the least helpful. Feminists focused on a vaguely defined 'Patriarchy' as the root cause of sexual violation with a pessimistic view that there was no individual recovery as long as the society and culture in which we live continues to be "man-centered". Writers such as Andrea Dworkin and Susan Faludi who railed against men and pornography, and defined all heteresexual sex as rape. They considered any criticism to be a sign of "backlash" against their obviously correct reading of the situation. They derided women who fought to live their lives on equal terms with men as collaborators.
Feminists seemed to have much in common with right wing reactionaries. They did a lot of yelling, they spewed a lot of indignation about the unfairness of the world. The feminism I encountered was anti-male, anti-pornography, and victim centered. I felt no anger toward the men in my life, the anti-pornography stand conflicted with my ideas about free speech, and I didn't feel vicitmized. Feminist writers faced with critique from people with my views responded that we were simply misinformed and naive, which I found to be an insulting evasion of the real concerns of women.
Many feminist notions struck me as contradictory and silly. They seemed to define womanhood as much by who I slept with as any other yardstick. Since I slept with my husband, I was a traitor of the worst kind, a married heterosexual.
I became one of those women who says, I believe in equal opportunity for employment and education. I believe in the right to accessible birth control. I believe in paid family leave for both men and women. I believe that families should have affordable childcare, and health insurance. I believe that women have the right to work free from fear of sexual harrassment. I believe women have the right to bring rape charges without their sexual history being used against them. I believe that people's wages should be reflective of the profits generated by the business they are in, not the pittance left over after the top executives and shareholders have ransacked the general fund. But, I refuse to call myself a feminist.
Fast-forward to my life, today. I'm a Stay At Home Mom, Homeschooling my kids. For me the decision to leave the workforce and devote myself to my family was a weird one to say the least. Remember, I thought that a career as a librarian was a demeaning capitulation to a stereotypical role. In my first years out of the workforce I felt a need to keep my head down and mumble when people asked me what I do. Wouldn't you expect based on the externals of my life, that my view would be the conservative, traditional one. Instead, I'm a champion of rights.
In my conversation with Fugitive last week, I was shocked that she expressed great anger over the impact of feminism on her life. She can tell her story much better than I can, so I'll leave that part to her. One thing that she said got my attention. She pointed out that as a well-educated woman, married to a man who makes a decent living, the women's movement made it possible for me to choose whether I would work or stay home. She sees my view of a woman's choice to work as a romanticized vision divorced from the real life trap that many women (including herself) find themselves in. If she didn't work, her family couldn't afford basic housing, medical care, or other necessities.
She sees herself as outside the women's movement for entirely different reasons than I do. She says that feminists are weathy women who have the luxury of being concerned over the message of films and books that she nor any of her friends are likely to ever see or read. The gains of feminism, (legalized abortion and careers for women,) put her in a position where the subtle message is "you didn't have to have those kids, but since you did, caring for them is your problem and not our concern."
She and I have talked a lot about the differences between homeschool and public school. She feels she has no choice but to send her kids to Public schools. She can neither quit her job, nor afford to send them to Private schools. She's facing the reality of a world in which economics is a much bigger concern than Nike commercials. Educational opportunity sounds like a great thing, but she doesn't know how she can pay to send her kids to college when she can barely pay to clothe them for elementary school.
Is women's rights a dead issue? Or worse is it an issue that rose just long enough to make the lives of real women far worse than the lives, circumscribed as they were, of our mothers and grandmothers? Has reproductive rights been translated into blame toward those families who choose to have children? Has legalized abortion made children and mothers adversaries of men and employers?
In 1970, the year that Fugitive was born, the bottom 20 percent of families received 5.4 percent of the national income, by 1994 their share had fallen to 4.2 percent. This is in spite of an increase from 20% of married women with children working full-time in 1970 to 60% in 1994. In 1970 the typical CEO of a Fortune 500 company earned 35 times the wage of the average manufacturing employee. By 1994 the ration was 187 to 1. In the same time period the middle class shrank from 57 to 47 percent of the population. I haven't found figures for the past eight years but all the discussion of the recession indicates that they are the bleak continuation of the trend.
So for completely different reasons, neither I nor my sister see ourselves as feminists, nor do we identify with the concerns of feminist leaders. Neither of us are satisfied with the state of the world in which we try to live as women, although I'm admittedly more content than my sister. Over the next few days we are going to open our Xanga blogs and admit you into the discussion we have regarding the issues we face. Please comment, raise issues, ask questions, and generally feel free to participate in our talk. We ask only that you remember that this isn't an academic discussion. We look forward to your opinions with respect and interest but do not intend this discussion to be a debate.

My bad, I accidentally submitted the rough draft of this blog earlier, so those of you who receive posts in your email are getting two versions. Please pay no attention to the blog behind door number one.
Comments (25)
And yes ! i I sent you an e.mail . I was going to write a comment after to have read the all ! pfff! the blog disappeared !
You write many time at the 8th paragraph ," I believe in ..." .I think it is not a belief . They are rights of human beings : equal .
AmitiƩ Michel
WOnderful blog!
One of the most brilliant girls in my highschool, who could have been a doctor or laywer or a broadway actress (she was by far the best actress I've known personally) has decided to become a nurse. I could never understand that. Still can't actually. Another girl, our class president and graduation speaker, recieved a full scholarship to the University of Michigan. She returned home after a week because she was homesick and missed her boyfriend. We live 45 minutes away from that school. I've never understood the people who would choose the lesser path, men or women, they mystify me.
How does Abortion fit into your christian worldview?
...so sorry you and Fugitive encounter(ed) zealots who label(ed)themselves feminists. They jumped on board of movement that advocated "rights" and turned it into something ugly. I was and am an advocate of the original movement of the 60's. Think I too will post on this subject that has lost its way over the years.
MuSe
...kudos to you and Fugitve for bring this topic and YOUR thoughts to print.
As I read this, I have a sense that your view of what a feminist is is drastically different from what this feminist lives. I wonder if it's a difference in ages (though I'm only 7 years older than you) or in the way the message was transmitted. It makes me think of the individual who has had a negative experience with a religious organization and forever swears off religion as a destructive force or a new mother who walks away from a La Leche League meeting believing that she'll be condemned if she weans her baby before (s)he is 5. I make no apologies for being a stay at home, schooling one of my children human beings, nor do I feel that it's called for. I'm using my greatest gifts to their fullest ability. To me, that's feminism.
A feminist supports all choices a woman may make as far as what path she takes and to the best of her ability provides support for other women - and for the males in her life. It isn't a battle between male and female, it's simply the recognition that we are all human, we all have value and gifts that shouldn't be hidden because we have or don't have a particular set of genitalia.
Fantastic blog.
Very well written.
I would so much like to think that it gets "better" or "easier" as each generation passes by but, realistically, I know that's not true. There is still a huge gap in what's available for women v men as far as being able to be single w/family to support and surviving. I can't help but wonder how many women choose to stay in an unhappy relationship simply because the thought of struggling day to day, week to week, year to year is more than they can bear.
Sure, women can get high paying jobs...but those jobs for the most part require a college degree. And, by the time they get out of college and get started in the workforce, the childbearing years have all but disappeared.
Whereas men can go out (as my husband did) and get a 'blue collar' job making three times or more what I make sitting in an office all day.
Sure...I can apply for those blue collar jobs (they have to let me) but...strength testing, durability, all of those more 'masculine' traits work against me. I'm not saying that I can't do that but...as my husband says, he feels sorry for the three or four women who have actually made it to conductor...especially the two who have had children and now have to decide...money or stay at home?
So...yeah, there is equality to an extent but I think it's rather ambiguous still...
Did I just ramble and make no sense? (I'm at work and trying to answer phone calls, too...heh.)
I have always had trouble with the Dworkinian (sounds like Draconian, don't it? (bet they were happy to be able to start calling it MacDworkinism after Catherine MacKinnon got involved) outlook, too. Any belief structure who's most compelling counter to criticism is. "You're only disagreeing because you've been programmed to disagree." is dubious, at best. Have you read any of what (adult film star) Nina Hartley has said in response to the MacDworkinists? I think you'd appreciate her candor/clarity.
The subtle message: "you didn't have to have those kids, but since you did, caring for them is your problem and not our concern." is very complex to try and grapple with.
On one hand, if it's the State talking, I tend to be inclined to agree. It's not the State (read: taxpayers) responsibility to fund the (sometimes bad) choices of it's citizens. I don't mean hang folks out to dry, I mean...for example, say a woman and a man have a child together and the man deserts his family. I don't think the State ought to, first thing right out of the chute, be giving the mother money to support that child. I do think the State should track that father down and hold him accountable for his actions. If, after having done this, there is still need of support, then yes a compassionate State should do so.
On the other hand, the near total lack of any real and practical support for stable family units (however they're comprised) is rotting our society from the inside out, so I want very much to say: Caring for children is the PRIME responsibility (nay, the only real responsibility in the final analysis) of every single one of us.
Very snarly knots you're tugging at. Can't wait for the next tug.
Michel - Thank you for coming back, my friend. And thank you for the vote of affirmation that those beliefs aren't just a matter of personal preference but of inalienable human rights.
Season - Even though I don't call myself a feminist because I don't want to be identified with perception I have of where the official movement has been for most of my life, I do subscribe to feminist ideals as they were articulated back when I was younger. So I appreciate the point you make about feminism meaning different things at different times. I was the beneficiary of the gains made by the earliest members of the Women's Lib - Feminism movement but the movement took a turn along about 1982 (I figure it's very related to the failure of ERA ratification). The feminists who turned me off the movement are largely part of the "second" wave. I'm pleased to say that there are third and fourth wave thinkers out there who seem to be getting back to the issues that make a difference to the lives of real women.
Steppenwolf - I realize that it's impossible to discuss women's issues without touching on the subject of abortion. Fugitive and I have turned this one over a couple times already in our conversation, and I'm certain we will talk about it in our blogs this week. We are trying to serve this topic in bite-sized pieces.
Dan - Oh, yes, I've read Catherine McKinnon, Nina Hartley and several others involved in the discussion. I love your terminology - McDworkinism - that's great.
I certainly wouldn't consider myself a feminist, and am waiting to see what Fugitive writes.
My take on it is that the feminist movement originally was intented to give women the ability to hold a job, if they WANTED to work outside the home. Today, the perception is that because of this movement, we HAVE to work outside the home.
For some it is economics, with the rise in cost of living, it takes 2 wage earners to be able to afford a newer (not necessarily new) vehicle, a modest home, groceries, clothes, and an occasional vacation (if you pinch pennies 'till they squeal).
I have battled with the conflicting feelings over the years - guilt that I did not stay home with the kids - guilt that I did not earn more money to contribute to the household. When a co-worker asked for counsel several months ago, as she was approaching the birth of her first child, on whether she should return to work, or stay at home, my advice was to pray about it, talk with her husband, and then do what it right for their family. Because of the movement, she can make that choice, instead of society making the choice for her.
I, too, am a child of the 60's and felt doors opened up because of feminism. But as I got older and made choices, such as being a teacher and being a SAHM, I felt condemned for those choices because they didn't fit the liberal ideal. I don't discuss these issues much with my childless, left leaning friends because I got tired of being yelled at and belittled. Thank you for having a civilized conversation about such topics!
My mom is the only person I know of that dropped out of college because she decided it was "too expensive a hobby." She had the highest gpa in her class when she dropped out. Her dream job was always to be a stay at home mom, as far as I can tell, and she stuck to that goal through some pretty low financial times. My dad has a degree in portrait photography, and photography in rural Oklahoma is not necessarily a lucrative profession. We grew up relatively poor (I never really learned how to compare these things) and my sister and I were told all our lives, "we want you to go to college, but you'll be paying for it yourself." Neither one of us seems to have missed a beat. It still amazes me, almost to the point of being offended, to hear that somebody's parents are paying for their education.
I don't know particularly, how feminism has affected my sister and I growing up. As far as I know, It never occurs to either one of us that our advancement can be attributed to any social factor's other than our abilities to excel.
Great essay. Can't wait to hear more.
KB
I'm one of those who falls in the "our mothers" category having been born in the 40's... the movement started when I was in my early 20's. I agree with Season. There have been "wave's" throwing the baby out with the bath water. I've seen what was an admirable Movement deteriorate into pettiness that has hurt it. Hopefully it will swing back to some semblance of reasonableness and "libbers" will regain some credibility. But, I don't think that is the only thing that hurt it. Some women, with their resulting newly gained power, abused it... i.e. using "harrassment" claims frivolously to further their careers on the work front.... vindictively accusing fathers of child molestation while waging personal war are examples that come to mind.
I tend not to think of myself as a feminist either, but as a humanitarian...I think that people of both sexes should be equally treated...and that means men having maternity leaves, and women getting paid equally for the same job. I don't like discrimaination of ANYONE, except perhaps criminals...or raving jerks.
Good blog...can't wait to see what Fugitive says.
I honesty feel that the greatest stides for women began with the fight and then gaining the right to vote--and that right has greatly impacted my life. I still feel prejudiced against as a woman. My problem with the movement is the way children have been forgotten in the formula. I know too many women who work and have careers when they don't have to and they neglect their children for their own pleasure and fulfillment. I am certain that is why we have so many problems in our society today. Mom, (or Dad) where are you? What about children's rights?
Excellent blog!
I agree with all who have stated that the "issue" of feminism must, perforce, be approached historically, and therefore to some degree semantically (peripheral though that seems, it attains great importance when considered carefully). The rights women fought for, and attained, in my own youth required great sacrifice -- not the least of which was a creation of an Us/Them construct. Every great battle needs an Us/Them. Leaders enthrall the troops with the great Us/Them speaches (Henry V, particularly when Branagh does it, is my favorite.....gosh, how did I get here?!? Sorry...). But once the war is won -- or the field has signficantly advanced, in any case -- the terrain is different, and the old Us/Them may no longer apply. I, for example, am a well-educated "liberal arts major" working (and in some cases directing) a primarily male workforce of engineers. But none of my colleagues would DARE say, or indeed think to think, that I, as a female, am inherently "less intellegent" than they -- a documented, written statement made by my father, born in 1928, when I and my two brothers were young (yes, he's still around and I do love and respect him -- and he's apologized. A lot). Today, feminism is struggling for a constructive definition in a world both much worse and much better -- and in any case much more confusing -- than it was. I need to stop here and keep listening. GREAT WORK.
Great blog, and fabulous comments you've elicited here! Wish I could add something thoughtful, but I have an anecdote instead.
Back when I worked in a bookstore, Betty Friedan came to do a signing in support of her book The Fountain of Age, which had just come out. I didn't get to meet her, because I was working at the desk on a different floor, but a coworker--a woman about my age or a little older--had brought in her battered copy of The Feminine Mystique to be autographed, and came away deeply unhappy because the author had apparently told her that women of our generation have no idea what it means to be a Feminist.
Maybe she's right; but is that necessarily a bad thing? We're starting with a different set of assumptions, of course we're going to end up with a different conclusion; and the worst thing that can happen to an ideological movement is fossilization.
I do sometimes identify myself as a feminist (if only out of gratitude to the Movement for giving me the option of remaining single and childless) but what I mean by that identification inside my head has very little to do with Official Feminist Theory as I understand it. Your list of what you believe sums me up pretty well too.
I believe that if you're a woman (or a man) who advocates women getting equal pay for equal work, then you are a FEMINIST.
I believe if you are a woman (or a man) who considers women to be men's intellectual equals, then you are a FEMINIST.
I believe if you're a woman (or a man) who considers a woman's body (and what happens inside of it) her own private affair and not the state's, then you are a FEMINIST.
The Feminism movement has gone through many waves: First came the ultra-intellectual wave, which basically said patriarchy was an oppressive system that totally repressed women; To the wave in which many lesbians and man-haters (they are not always one and the same) took over and said patriarchy oppressed women who were better than those men, women's oppressors; To the wave probably still in place now... which espouses that patriarchy oppressed not just women but also the men (in its delineation of the strict roles each must play-- e.g. men must be obeyed by their wives-- women are either whore/madonnas).
Maybe we're entering a new phase... one that allows for the differences (not just physically, but in physiological make-up) between the sexes-- one that not just recognizes but revels in the differences... When we get there-- I'm hoping we'll stop labeling ourselves and others as to whether we're really feminists or not.
At least that's how I'm raising my children. We were ALL born of women. Let's give credit where credit's due... to mothers-- because:
"The hand that rocks the cradle... Is the hand that rules the world." (W.S. Ross)
damn, I'm loving that lovingmy40s more and more. I want to be her when I'm 40!
Prolly the best book on feminism I've read recently is Who Stole Feminism, by Christina Hoff Sommers. Hysterical. In this book she points out the extremes modern "angry feminists" go to in order to make their points--mostly done by lying with statistics, something that many resort to in order to support theories with bullet-holed facts. I dunno, Terri.... Feminism has its place, and as long as there is some extreme freak out there screeching, then there is some extreme wall out there that she believes she's screeching against, and hey. More power to her, I say.
I'm glad and incredibly thankful for the Susan B's, Lucretia Alcotts, Cady Stantons.... I do consider myself a feminist--the kind season speaks of. I liked her comment, almost as much as lovingmy40s. Lovely compliments to the blog.
i tend to agree with most of what you said....i do not consider myself to be a feminist, but i stand up for many of the things that feminists stand up for...but i am more for equality than reversing the role, as many feminists would prefer to do...ie male bashing..or feminine superiority..
I know. What a weirdo for responding to a blog that's heat has long been cooled. I just wanted to say what a great job you did of bringing up an important topic like this one. I've cut and paste the two responses I liked the most and am keeping them as a private post for myself.
I think where the confusion lies is within the semantics. We all define feminism differently. Reminds me of the confusion behind erotica vs. pornography.
I nejoyed this read very much and the responses were really very interesting. I also think you gave me a way to meet some new and very sophisticated thinkers. I really want to make my time here count and that means learning not just fooling around. Thanks again.
I left a job(computer programmer) where I was making 51K (very good for where I live), to stay home and raise three children on my husband's salary of about 20K. I couldn't be happier.
I really enoyed this blog, and as I get time, I think I'll peruse the rest. I had a lot of thoughts I started to write, but I think it can all be summed up with all the other problems in the world. If everyone would quit whining about their rights and focus on their responsibilities, the world would be a lot better place.
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