September 17, 2002
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Knowing At All
I had an interesting experience the other day. I had the vague notion that I had written a blog on a particular topic, but I couldn't remember how long ago that might have been. So I started scrolling back through my Xanga posts in search. As it turns out, I didn't find the one I was looking for, but I found interesting patterns in my blogs that I hadn't been aware existed.
When I think of my Xanga blogs, my perception is that they are mostly about my kids and family with a few philosophical musings tossed in occasionally when I want to give my sister a headache. I discovered that I have written far less about my kids than I thought. (Not from their failure to provide material I assure you.)
So imagine my surprise when I realized that I've written dozens and dozens of blogs on the concept of knowing. What do you know? What do I know? Who do you know? How is it that we ever know anything? Can we ever know another person? Is what we think we know real?
Last night I watched A Beautiful Mind for the first time. I may have to watch it again, and again. That film asks a lot of the same questions I ask. How do we know anything? How do we know that what we know is real? Whether or not it's real does our knowledge have value? John Nash is a brilliant man, his Nash equillibrium is amazing for its simplicity and its analytical power. He deserved his Nobel prize for a truly original idea that has transformed our ability to understand the behavior of economic groups, political bodies, criminal behavior, models of evolutionary biology, and who gets the girl in the bar.
John Nash also suffers from schizophrenia. Ron Howard did a masterful job of pulling us into Nash's world. So when he revealed that some of the people who were most important to Nash's life were not real, we experienced disorientation, confusion, and loss. We can never understand another person, because in spite of the aphorism, we can never walk in his shoes. Our circumstances will never be identical to his circumstances. Our desires, passions, dreams and impulses will never be his. But, through this movie more than any other I've ever seen, we get a glimpse inside the beautiful and terrible reality of a splintered mind.
When the film ended, I was left again wondering, what is real? How can we know that anything is real? Nash talked about the need to judge by empirical data, but he found empirical data searching through popular magazines and newspapers to support his delusion of a Russian conspiracy. The pattern was real. Was the pattern significant? Does the existence of a pattern necessitate that the pattern has meaning?
Even if we know something, what does it mean? In a scene I particularly liked Dr. Nash writes an equation on the board and tells the class that some of them will work on it all year before they solve it, and that some of them will work for the rest of the term of their natural lives. Near the end of the story, Nash is still working on an equation that has ocupied him for decades.
I may never solve the equation. To be a fulfilled person, I don't think I have to solve it, I just have to consider it from as many angles as I'm capable and solve what variables I can. In another marvelous scene Alicia (the future Mrs. Nash) brings her work in and tells him that she's solved it. He looks it over and pronouces "elegant, but ultimately incorrect." Every now and then I run across some author or another who claims to have solved one or more of the problems that I call the "Big Questions" - where did we come from, how does the mind work, what is the substance of consciousness, to what extent does any given effect relate to a specific cause, what is the ultimate nature of the universe, what is the ultimate nature of man, is there any significance to history?
In almost every instance I recognize that there are variables that the author has failed to consider. The answer may be elegant, but it is ultimately incomplete. Dr. Nash tells Alicia, "I never said the variables were rational." One of the limitations of science is it's need to see the variables as rational. But throw in even one variable that can be demonstrated to perform irrationally and the whole ball of wax begins to melt in theory after theory after theory.
Does this mean that science is of no value? Absolutely not. We may not know all, and we may never know with certainty, but we can develop models that give us a handle on our world. Newtonian phsyics were overthrown by Einstein and relativity theory. But phsyicists still use newtonian equations because even knowing that the model is flawed, we still know that on many levels, it works.
Nash realized that his mind was flawed. If the story were fiction, it would be denounced from all quarters of psychiatry because Nash decides to "ignore" his delusions and grasp the reality he's been given, and it seems to work. He never, even with medication is able to make the hallucinations vanish, but in a way, his awareness that his perception of reality is flawed makes him less brittle, more brilliant. He shifts from a determination to know it all, to a hope that he may know at all.
Comments (33)
Your insights from this film are interesting. I found viewing the film to be very emotional because my father suffers from schizophrenia. I lived too many of those scenes--I wrote a blog on this movie after seeing it.
Man will never know all in this life. I work on my relationship with the Creator so I can learn from the One who knows it all.
Hmm, sounds like a good movie to watch when I'm to exhausted to move. That sounds like I'm being smartalecky, but I'm not. What I mean is that when I'm so tired from kids, household stuff, errands, homework, writing, more kids stuff, stress, stress, stress... that's the only time I can really sit still long enough to pay close attention to a movie. {unless I'm in a theater} I have a hard time sitting still for long periods of time unless my mind is thoroughly engrossed in something.
Faith
Oops, forgot to add, "or when I'm exhausted because I'm too tired to hop up every few minutes.
Faith
It was an incredible film. Sorry I can't contribute more, but you summed it up so well.
I know you're amazing.
He becomes humble, indeed. Experiencing humility is, in my experience, one of the most powerful ways to learn to be appreciative of the intangible things I do have (love). Nash learns a lesson in compasion, love, understanding, and the list goes on and on.
Beautiful movie and beautiful blog
Thats another movie I've never seen!!!
I thought Russel Crowe also did a fine job playing Nash. (In fact, I felt Crowe's performance was more deserving of an Oscar than Denzel-- or for Crowe's win on Gladiator. The year Crowe won for Gladiator, however, I felt that Denzel should've won for Hurricane... I'm blathering again.)
This was a very thoughtful, insightful piece you wrote. You always make me glad I stopped by. Thanks.
I too am glad I happened by. Well-written, Terri.
o/ God Bless
- Dale
Very interesting blog. As the mother of a daughter with schizophrenia I really appreciated the movie, A Beautiful Mind -- I suppose for different reasons than most people. I loved that it did not pull any punches but it was also very hopeful. His delusions were quite typical and since we saw it through his eyes, it gave the viewer an idea of what it is like for those with that terrible disease. The empathy that this movie might inspire will go a long way toward combatting the stigma of mental illness.
ive never seen the movie yet but now i am compelled to. that was a very thought provoking blog. Thanks for making me think
Belinda
oh you should read the book, too.
regarding what is real, you can turn to garfield-turned-descartes for the starting point: i eat, therefore i am.
i love i love that last paragraph of yours
I know nothing!
"Does the existence of a pattern necessitate that the pattern has meaning?"<--this is very much like: "Correlation is not causation." For example, if you graph the number of occurances of indecent exposure by month, and compare that to the graph of ice cream sales by month you will see an almost perfect match. But that doesn't mean banning ice cream sales will put a stop to flashers in the park.
I like your take on the movie.
dwaber - but it could mean flashers are good for ice cream sales, or flashers should be given ice cream carts, or ... no scratch that; I don't want to buy ice cream from a flasher.
Oh, and QM, great post!
Sometimes I wish I wouldn't buy into other peoples narrow views of who I am, as well as my own narrow view of who I am. All this can limit me and keep me where I am. And yet all this is not real, not tangible, just opinion, and yet these narrow views are what my brain grabs onto and takes as truth.
You got me thinking about what is real and not real...
I forgot to give you your eProps. Hey are they real... or not real?
You have inspired me to watch this movie... seem very interesting.. I love movies that make a person think...
Superb post!! Kinda went with mine this evening... my question that can or can't be answered... I like that you make me think. (I also at the same time am highly annoyed that you cause me to think LOL)

I haven't seen it because I too grew up with a father with major psychological problems, and lived in it too much to want to see it in a movie. But I have heard that it was a very good picture of what it's like.
You're one of them SMART people, aintcha?
Don't lie now, I'm onto you.
Beautiful Mind was excellent indeed, and sparked a very similar discourse as the one above when my friends & I viewed it.
Good writing. Keep it up!
What , who , how those are your questions that reveale your scientist spirit .It ' s very great . I have also this criticism sense . I want proofs . But science cannot explain all the human being . There is also Love..
AmitiƩ
Michel
Basically acknowledgment of the condition is halfway to the solution..... 'A beautiful Mind' was a masterpiece! Ron Howard did a wonderful job with it.
When I saw A Beautiful Mind I thought it was supposed to be a spy movie. It really freaked me out.
However, while Nash is "taking the modern drugs" in the movie, in real life, he never took any drugs again. If that had been in the movie, the doctors would have freaked!
KB
Hmm.. on the topic of introducing a rogue factor into an otherwise rational system - you might enjoy "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". It has some very interesting observations to make on such issues.
Cheers
Ged
Kind of puts solipsism to the test... if you are demonstrably real, what data can you present to prove others are real if there are beings you perceive that are demonstrably false?
I told you that you would like this movie!!! Maybe we should watch it agin when I am there next weekend!
My gosh. You have such a wonderfully analytical mind. I'm in awe at the clarity with which you think and voice your thoughts.
I need to rent that movie...I just wish it weren't Russel Crowe...pah.
May I invite U to join my blogring as I attemped to develop a forum populated by geniuses such as you.
http://www.xanga.com/blogrings/blogring.asp?id=79089
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I hope U find my post half as creative as I find yours
I have asperger's, so your comments touched home. You know I have a lot of empathy, but it's all learnt, all studied, none of it is natural to me. To me you are just a blog, not even a blogger, but as I said, I have learnt to think where my brain can not go, though even now I can only see you in the words you write.
Terry.
The older we get the more we know that we don't know anything. Judi
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